What a crock!
All they had to tell Joss was that they had to wait.
Ancier is just playing the good ole CYA game

Putting the blame now on Joss Whedon is one ugly move from sour-suite Mr. Garth Ancier! *He* should have shown interest when it was the rigth time for it! *grrr*

I'm not sure if this is the WB backpedalling or panicking? They've probably just seen their fall lineup!
The WB are filthy foul creatures...........we shall speak of them no more!

I agree with anne to little to late WB and Ancier
your trying to cover your ass but Angel fans have
are a smarter than that

The WB is just completely stupid. nuff said.....and I agree with anne("let us speak of them no more!")

The WB has been idiotic since the day Jordan Levin banned crossovers between Buffy and Angel. The WB lost Buffy because they didn't put up enough cash to keep it and then Levin got his ego in a twist and decided to make the fans pay for it. Thankfully he's gone but the WB has not learned. What was Joss supposed to do? Wait until May for the WB and then if they said they weren't going to renew he'd have been forced to end the show quickly and badly. And now they expect us to believe this anything but a little CYA? Sorry but it's too little, too late.

kels and others---
Angel fans may "have are [a] smarter than that", but for here/now, possibly not as well read.
It is easily verified that Whedon *did* ask WB to make an early decision. He told the network/studio/whatever that the actors, writers, directors deserved the respect of not finding out they had no job 2 or 3 months before they were to start. He asked that they be given good enough notice that 1)Folks can start thinking about their next move, and 2)He can device a decent series ending, rather than having to wrap it up in just a couple episodes. (Which if you ask me, it felt like anyways.)

It may be true that Whedon asked for an early decision, but obviously WB could have changed their mind at any point and picked up the series, even after shooting had wrapped for the year. I suppose next Ancier will say it's the fans' fault that WB didn't pick up the show for another season. After all, with such an unprecedented outpouring of fan support, obviously the WB execs felt too pressured to make the decision. Clearly Ancier is just trying to shift the blame for what in hindsight is an increasingly stupid call on his part.

The WB are taking a page from the Book of Republicans. Blame the Victim and Never Take Responsibility.

Jerkoffs.

They owed Whedon an early decision! He had to have time to make necessary story changes. What they should have done was realized that Angel was worth keeping around EARLY ON.

Nice try WB, admidt it, your new dark shadows is toast and now you wish you had not cut angel loose. Take responsibility for your yourselves and just tell everyone the truth ... you screwed up. Lets just hope that your greed and stupidity does not stop Joss and the scoobies from possibly returning to the fans in one way or another. (hopefully on another network or on the big screen)

Joss turned into a bad writer anyway. He took our mysterious, gorgeous, moody, sexy vampire and turned him into damn puppet! It doesnt get any worse then that. He made a fool out of Angel. I love Angel, but I don't blame the WB for cancelling it. SMG agreed to appear in the last episode and Joss said no..that was the DUMBEST thing ever!! If it was not for her character, Angel would not have existed--it was only best to bring her back.

Thanks Joss for not giving us a suckass ending, and for an ending the can 'not' be the end. Not too open, not too closed. I'm still keep waiting for the next episode.

I completely agree with Lioness. Smile Time was absolutely hilarious! I suppose it's another Joss episode where you either think it's a work of genius or totally pointless. Sigh...it's just like the poor souls who blast contempory and experimental artists just because their minds are so permanently stuck in a box. And the show is Angel, (one which is completely independant from Buffy and no longer needed Buffy to carry it)not One Last Chance For Fake Fans To See That Pretty Vampire Slayer Everyone Talks About. And, oh yeah, did Ancier REALLY think that would make anything better? He's made them seem even more like a pack of idiots who obliterate intelligent shows in order to serve up a load of trash. I also liked the Republican comment. Got a good laugh. But oh, too true, too true........

so now the morons at the wb realize that rednecks are no substitution for quality tv. Ancier got scared because he saw what we can do for our favorite show, no other show has got that loyal fans. Shame on you Ancier for putting blame in the one person we are never gonna blame, Joss Whedon the Rodenbery of our times. People if you are a Smallville fan be carefull becuse they allready started playing musical chairs with it and this year it took a 26% drop on the ratings, so Smallville could be the next to go instead of 7th heaven or the horrible Charmed.

Sarah said: "I completely agree with Lioness. Smile Time was absolutely hilarious! I suppose it's another Joss episode where you either think it's a work of genius or totally pointless."

The episode was written and directed by Ben Edlund, not Joss Whedon.

A one-joke episode about puppets may be fun, but hardly deserves to be referred to as "genius."

To defend "Smile Time" (and Sarah), the episode did have a point and was not one-joke. It was a play on Angel's fear that he was becoming a "puppet" of the Senior partners, something that the whole season touched on. It was yet another instance of turning the figurative into the literal, thanks to the rules of magic in the Whedonverse. And I believe Whedon was given a "based on the idea" kind of credit along with Edlund, though Edlund gets the full telepay and direction credits.

As for the WB, it kind of reminds me how they spun the early notice of the cancellation earlier, giving themselves credit for giving Whedon enough time to wrap up the show. They took credit for the early notice in several interviews, saying it was what the crew and the fans deserved. And now we are surprised they are changing their song?

If now Whedon shows come on in the near future, I am throwing out my tv because everything else out there is crap.

I wish I had powers just like ANGEL.Angel is the only thing I always think about.And I think the best name in the world is ANGEL.

WB Execs are still power tripping and playing games. They obviously do not care if they mess with people's lives and livelihoods. They want to appear to be the victim to viewers, and not lose that viewer base. Well you lost me when you treated Angel like crap in its fourth season. WB does not deserve any more good shows like Angel and BTVS. Let WB rot.

Smile Time was a great episode, totally hilarious, anyone who didn't enjoy it clearly has no sense of humor. I loved the finale, too, no need for SMG, if the show had to end it was a great episode to go out on! Go Joss!

First of all, I liked 'Smile Time'. It was good on so many levels. Joss is a genius. I will never turn my back on him, Angel, or Buffy. Those idiots at the WB cannot make me turn on him. Let them have their crap shows. I was kinda into Smallville for awhile, but now it's fallen into dis-repair. Angel was the only thing that network had going for it. Now they have nothing. Let's just all be grateful that Angel never fell to mediocracy as do so many WB shows.

O, those WB execs keep on playing with my emotions. And by my emotions, I mean my several levels of rage!
Angel ended beautifully. Really, I loved the ending with the death and the cutting out right before a climax. Best way to end things, really (u should watch the 1960 "italian job"). But like i was with buffy, I will always want more. SO IF THEY ARE CLAIMING NOW THAT MY IDOL IS THE ONE THAT TOOK THAT CAHNCE AWAY FROM ME, well that is just anger-inducing isn't it? I support bringing angel or buffy back in any form so long as its something that is worth bringing to my delicate eyes that have seen too much treachery from one network.
ANGEL CAN STILL BE SAVED!

Yeah, whatever! The WB has a lot of angry fans on their case and they are trying to use Whedon as a scape goat. I refuse to believe that this has anything to do with Joss pushing them for a decision. I think Ancier is maybe seeing a fall in ratings and is trying to dig himself of a hole. Their loss. If they would rather show assinine series' such as that thing with Jeff Foxworthy (hello....2 failures already) let them. I will continue to watch the couple shows I already watch on the WB, but they have lost my viewing at 9:00 pm on Wednesdays. I have reserved that time for a movie rented on my Blockbuster Movie Pass. Good Luck WB...me thinks you are going to need it.

Sounds like the suits at WB are starting to realize their fall season sucks! If they think that blaming Joss for Angel's demise will pull any of Angel's fanbase back they are in for a rude awakening. Obviously they don't understand our loyalty to the show or its creator. Goodbye WB, have fun watching your numbers drop this year, I know that I will!

The only reason I can see for this coming out now is for a deterrent of fans to go see Joss' new movie. Serenity will be successful and it's probably irking the HELL outta the WB that they didn't stick around with him. LOL well at least that's the way I see it.

What a load of BS. Once more the network suits screwed up and are trying to blame every one else. No wonder 90% of today's TV is trash. Oops, now that there are no more Whedon shows on TV (because of these same idiots), make that 98% of television is trash.

why is it so bad nowadays to loathe the character that made you famous? david b and sarah mg both dis the roles that made them household names (and millions of dollars).

then again, it's pathetic when the fat guy from What's Happening legally changed his name to 'rerun'; or that any of the supporting cast from dukes of hazzard pimps themselves out like cheap whores for dvd releases or video game promos.

bah. no good TV on.

dead zone and 4400 are the only things worth watching since Wonderfalls got cancelled...

What a load of bull***t!!! Sorry, but am soooo angry at wbs! They were told time and time again what the fans reaction to cancelling Angel would be, wbs stuck 2 fingers up to us and....they are reaping the rewards! Angel was such a 'classy' show, wonderful acting, great storylines, great producing and directing, although, at its best when JW was in charge - a job he lost interest in when Firefly took flight and bombed - and now wbs have the audacity to put the cancellation blame on JWs shoulders! They SHOULD HAVE reasured him WHENEVER he asked about the renewal! Excuses, excuses wbs, damm you. You gutted 2 JW shows BTVS and Angel and you don't deserve a third chance! How dare you try to crawl out of the blame, you are fools and cowards.

AND.....wbs are not allowed on my tv!The last Angel episode was the last time I watched anything wbs...and it will stay that way, and I have been so surprised how EASY it has been to forget about the wbs channel,....wbs...huh...who??

Much as I WANT an Angel and BTVS tv movie I can't believe that JW would ever trust them again and if he does I say screw the mega-monies out of wbs! Make them pay for all the heartache they have given us all -from fans to actors to writers.

From what I've heard, the WB cancelled Angel to air yet another reality show. Ok common please, how many of these damn reality shows do we need, and to cancel a great show like Angel for it. I got to listen to David Boreanaz and Christian Kane talk during their visit to Chicago in May, and it seems as if they were both saddened by the cancellation, but they had good attitudes about it. David is planning on doing some movies and Christian is working on his music carrer. Stephanie Romanov was also there and she is going to be co-staring with Robin Williams in an upcoming sci-fi movie. I think instead of hoping that the WB picks up some Angel movies, all Angel fans should boycott the cheap ass WB and everything associated to it. Not only are their comments a slap in the face to Joss, they are a slap to all Angel and creative good television show fans. Long live all Buffyverse fans!!

HeyHey!

First off, I don't think that Ancier should be completely blamed for this announcement. It was Levin's fault, evil SOB, and Ancier is the sad individual who got chosen to clean up the elephant's crap. Mind you, the WB had puhlenty of chances to keep Angel. Fans were writing in, and... saveangel.com... nuff said. Plus other network execs calling Levin saying that he's an idiot for cancelling. (Big Surprise!). And, on top of that, the WB is trying to change it's target audience to 18-34, so even if Joss hadn't pushed for an early decision, they're present decisions of shows to cancel show that Angel would've ended up dusted anyways. P.S : Since the series finale of Angel, I haven't watched one show on the WB, not even fleetingly, no matter how fascinating.

the WB are just looking for a fall guy, they f***ed up royally dumping Angel and now they have a lot of people pissed at them. They need to take a look at their recent decision making...

You know that's BS, right? Ancier just trying to make good with all the angry Angel fans sporting "Kill WB" icons and the such. He could've done something like "Oh, all the fan effort made us change our mind - you can stay Angel." The fact that they pushed for an early decission does not mean they (or we) needed to be punished - remember how it was left in the air until the last minut last year? Imagine if Home was the series finale! Pretending they couldn't go back on their choice is unacceptable.

Let's all face it when the WB cancelled Angel the brass at the WB took their brains out put their brains on the corporate conference table and forgot to put it back in, and they still haven't put their tiny little brains back in their head! Levin is an idiot and the WB was very very smart to kick his behind out the corporate door. Now they hired another idiot (Ancier)to try and shift blame with a lame excuse....it's Joss Whendons fault. Are they trying to show us just how ignorant they are or what? Oh yeah, blame the guy that brought two of the best shows EVER on television, brought the WB loyal viewers they ONCE HAD. They said the Nielsen Ratings were not high enough for Angel. Well, I don't have a Nielsen box in my home. Therefore, the Nielsen Rating excuse the WB came up with was lame, and saying that is an understatement at best. Then the real *** kicker was after we all knew Angle was canceled we heard they were going to come out with a modern "Dark Shadows", yeah right like I would watch it anyway. Just another kick in the *** from the WB. Now they are not doing a "Dark Shadows" why? Because, they realized they had a hit (Angel), blew it, and weren't going to get the viewers they once had back for another vampire show that would not have come close to making the cut. The WB needs to stop with the lame excuses and just admit they royally screwed up, and lost millions of viewers, me included. Unless there is another Whedonverse show, I'm not going to watch it. Angel was the only show I watched after Buffy was over, now I watch my DVD's. The only way I will watch the WB is if they bring the Angel back, but I still WANT my weekly Angel!!! Reality shows are lame, and a waste of my time. I have advise for the WB, and they would be smart to take it (I don't think they have the capability of being smart...obviously)...Why doesn't the WB open their mind and shut their mouth.....both are empty anyway!!!!

I cannot believe the insensitive attitude the WB has shown for the fans that made their station the place to be. Well, I'm sure that is a decision that is going to come back to bite them where it hurts (ratings people). They are humiliating and degrading to the particpants - I guess whatever floats your boat but if that does it for you, consider therapy.

As for reality TV shows, if we wanted reality would we be sitting in the house waiting for our favorite fictional characters? No- we would be out living reality. Besides, I am sick to death of turning the channel just to see people prostituting themselves to get the guy/girl; eating bugs, brains or God knows what else; and just generally behaving like morons because they're on TV.

Dark Shadows may turn out to be a great show, who knows, but I do know a lot of people may never find out because they simply won't tune it to watch and I can't say I blame them. If we made the WB by watching shows like Buffy and Angel we can break them by tuning them out. Also, Darkshadows? They didn't finish the series the second time they tried to remake it, why bother trying again?

Joss, Please save us from this programming nightmare.

I cannot believe the insensitive attitude the WB has shown for the fans that made their station the place to be. Well, I'm sure that is a decision that is going to come back to bite them where it hurts (ratings people).

As for reality TV shows, if we wanted reality would we be sitting in the house waiting for our favorite fictional characters? No- we would be out living reality. Besides, I am sick to death of turning the channel just to see people prostituting themselves to get the guy/girl; eating bugs, brains or God knows what else; and just generally behaving like morons because they're on TV. They are humiliating and degrading to the particpants - I guess whatever floats your boat but if that does it for you, consider therapy.

Dark Shadows may turn out to be a great show, who knows, but I do know a lot of people may never find out because they simply won't tune it to watch and I can't say I blame them. If we made the WB by watching shows like Buffy and Angel we can break them by tuning them out. Also, Darkshadows? They didn't finish the series the second time they tried to remake it, why bother trying again?

Joss, Please save us from this programming nightmare.

Sorry I about the mix up on my last posting.

ok, I admit it. It's the fans fault. You knew you had it coming.

Mr. Ancier
Obviously your just upset (whaa whaa) because you sir lost what is it....4+ million viewers to your Network. Did you go to college??? One would think a person with your college eduction could have come up with a better response to the viewers anger over your network canceling Angel one of the best written, acted, and produced shows on television. Can you list five other shows that fans have personally raised money to save those shows from being cancelled. We the fans of Angel tried to save the show with campaigns, money, moving billboards, T-shirts, flyers, magazine ads etc. So how can it be the fans fault ***wipe. Give me the list. With comments like that the WB will have no viewers with your lack of understanding of what the viewers want.

Who can take anything WB says seriously? When they first cancelled, they were talking about a movie. Twice now, once by the actress who plays Harmony and now by SMG, WB is attempting to backtrack and is doing it by lying! They haven't approached actors, at least not any that will confirm it, and Whedon already pointed out that he is working on another film. Boreanz is against the idea- (Doesn't think it can be done) and who can blame him after the way the series was cancelled in the first place. We have witnessed the fact that often used sayings really do come true. The WB is going to hell.

Clarification: Twice now, actors have confirmed that there has be NO discussion of a movie.

Is that really Ansier? The address says WB! Could he really be that much of an ass?

WB hasn't been the same since it let Buffy go and got rid of Angel. Those were the only TV shows that I made time to watch regularly. Joss is amazing and the WB's gonna seriously regret this. I haven't watched WB since they ignored the fans of the two best shows ever....You reap what you sow and WB's definitely not gonna like this harvest.

I completely agree that the finale of Angel should not have showcased SMG's return as Buffy. Everyone would be focusing on that fact and not on the fact that one of the greatest shows in television has come to an end. However her presence is obviously missed in "the girl in question". But Sarah was in tokyo filming so she was unavailable. That is sadly the one episode i feel really failed. Its only redeeming quality was the discovery theat illyria could actually transform into Fred. And as much as i think Andrew is hillarious, Dawn would have been a much better fill for SMG. Michelle T was actually written into the episode and agreed to do it but at the last minute had to back out because her movie "Ice Princess" got a new director and a new schedule. So the writers had to completely change the script and were basically left only with Angel and Spike running into Andrew saying that she's out to the piont where it became awkward to watch. Sorry, didn't work (still funny but) there's obvious hole where SMG should be. But the finale definitely was amazing. It was the perfect way to capp off these characters while still leaving room for new stories. Where the Buffy finale really pushed some main characters aside for the bigger arch, the Angel finale covered all the characters beautifully.

Ooh and im never watching anything on the WB again unless its Buffy/Angel related. And if Joss ever does a spinoff or TV movie I hope he goes somewhere else othere than the WB. &th Heaven shoulda been axed instead of Angel. That show shoulda been gone 3 years ago (its become a freakin parod of itself its so ridiculously cheezy. WB ROT IN HELL!!!!

stupid people. they do this on purpose. don't they know that we died, when angel wasn't allowed to return. i mean now there isn't anything much to watch. only repeats.

If everyone looked at life the way people look at his situtation, like kicking ourselves over something that could have happened if nothing went the way it did, then our lives would be in more shambles than they already are. That's like saying, "If I hadn't walked hear, I would have walked there." It's a meaningless statement that points to nothing but negativity. I say, be happy with what you got. At least it wasn't a corney everything's-all-better-now-Buffy ending which was crapola. And the metaphors in the end... OH, the metaphors!

Wasn't Garth Ancier Jordan Levin's BOSS???

Like he didn't have the power to over ride Levin. Please. I'm thinking it was HIS (Ancier's) decision to cancel Angel in the first place. Levin was just Ancier's butt monkey. I don't trust a single word that comes out of his mouth. If his lips are moving, he's LYING!

Now that he's had a taste of the wrath of scorned Angel fans, he's TRYING to suck up to them. HAH!!!
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY is falling for it.
He wants shows like Buffy? He had one. ANGEL! And in his infinite wisdom decided to cancel it. Now he's backpedaling, and blaming Joss for the cancellation. What a complete asshole! Words fail me at trying to describe the contempt I have for this man. GRRRRR ARGHHHHHH!!!

I don't blame Joss, But the writing for the show did start to go down hill at the end. The WB was really to fault for ratings, because when the show was supposed to be on it wasn't and they would tell you to watch it another day and stuff. If Joss wants to do a movie I have a good story line for him that I think the rest of the fans out there wood love. I love Angel and If they make a movie or get picked up by a different network I'll watch. I am deeply depressed that it ended though.

As an Australian extreme fan of Angel (and of course Buffy!!), I have to say that the cancellation of Angel and the blaming of Joss Whedon has possibly pissed off the entire global community (CONGRATS WB).

Angel still rocked in the 5th Season!!! Smile time was great (HEY I could raphsodise about each and every episode of Angel - but I won't)! Even loved the ending (although the curiousity about who survived the big battle is killing me by degrees!!).

Finally, Angel and Buffy were the only shows that I have ever fallen in love with, and I trust Joss Whedon completely to tell their stories (even if it's not what I would choose). I know that when Joss does something it is for the best.

Shame on you WB for thinking that we would abandon that faith! We fans are loyal to Joss for a reason (He INSPIRES that loyalty).

I would follow Joss Whedon anywhere, any network, any show/movie!!

The WB is by far the dumbest network. Let's see, they dumped Buffy so they could shove Reba down our throats, and dumped Angel for... Uh, some dumbass reality series? Come on! What's next? Dumping Smallville for a series starring Macauly Freakin' Culkin?!

And they have the gall to blame Whedon for it?! This shows you what kind of company the WB is. The kind that won't admit to giving the fans a screwjob and blaming the shows creator for it. (Can you say the fox network for cancelling the family guy?)

Gimmee a break! How many times has Whedon said that he was planning at least one more season?
He had a great ideas for a sixth season. He said After Angel brought down Wolfram and Hart, they're would be hell to pay. Now that would've been interesting to say the least. But no, we get an unfinished ending, just because the WB had to totally f*ck us fans over as usual.

Dumbasses..

WB shows no respect whatsoever for its once-loyal fanbase..

I agree, the WB should be boycotted by every true fan of series such as ANGEL, BUFFY, SMALLVILLE (which is next). But then again, those people aren't 7th heaven fans.. Hmmm.. Interesting..

I don't understand what the WB thinks their target audience likes, but I am in my 30's and the only shows I made time for in my busy life were Buffy and Angel. And I know a lot of other people in their target range who felt the same way.

i'm glad angel ended with such good ratings, it shows the wb that they're a bunch of idiots for ending it in the first place, i think if angel does come back, it should come back on another network, that should annoy some wb suits...

Oh that comment is so full of lies it's not even funny. Let's see first it was money, then it was Angel wasn't doing well in the ratings, then it was they where trying to bring in fresh shows. Now this. The bottom line is you can't believe the WB they have proven time and time again that they lie. And as for him laying this at Joss Whedons feet, I don't buy it! I agree they are just trying to make themselves look good, to bad it's blowing up in their faces! Big time, because this Angel fan is not buying what he's saying. As for the WB I have nothing more to do with that network. NO ANGEL, NO FROG!

Wake up network executives,we get a decent show on television and hey guess what, off it goes to put on more crap.I live in Australia and in between reality shows and well reality shows,we have no decent tv,surely someone else over there would take it on board.I understand that actors get sick and tired of doing the same thing all of the time,but hey its a regular paycheck and it was a ratings winner so cmon someone give it another chance.We miss Spike.

I'm in agreement with many of the comments posted. I watched Buffy from the beginning and then followed Angel just as faithfully. I was beyond angry when Angel was cancelled. By bringing Spike into the show, it added a great touch to the tension between Angel and Spike. It was great. I don't follow much on the WB anymore. I only hoped that another network would have picked up the show such as for Buffy. Sigh. . . no such luck. Keep the faith fans! Hopefully something will come along to fill the void left by Angel and Buffy.

I am another fan that has been left sitting and
wondering about the judgement and intelligence of
the WB,(or lack there of).The ending of Buffy and
Angel has left us bewildered and angry.We had all
hoped that someone would have picked up the show,
do to the fact that its ending just left us with
wanting more.Buffy and Angel started together they
should have ended together Angle and his fans
need closure,what of his reward?How will he win
the battle to reunite with the love of his life?.
Now the only thing to do is to look to the STARS
(S.M.G.,D.B.,J.M.,J.W.)And remined them that it
was us the fans that made them shine so brite.So
J.W.it looks like its up to you. You did it not
just once but twice.I belive you can do it again!
And if there is a spin off I think SPIKE (james)
could carry it well.I know I would be the first to
tune in.

Teresa.

Angel was one of the best movies I would watch with my entire family. I have teenagers and we would all sit around and watch it. Now that it's gone, no more watching tv time with the kids. It may sound stupid but it's hard to find something the whole family can enjoy these days on tv. Now the ending was just awful. What about the prophecy? Why did angel exist all this time if it wasn't for redemption? Nothing like this happpened. The only way Josh Whedon can save face is to make a movie. I'll be first in line with all my kids. Otherwise, find a way and bring David Boreanaz and the rest back!!!