As reported in coverage by the Daily News and WHYY, Councilwoman Donna Reed Miller and Councilman Darrell Clarke are suing the state legislature of Pennsylvania contending that:
the state General Assembly has created homicidal conditions on city streets by not enacting tough gun-control laws or by not getting out of the way and letting Philadelphia write its own laws.
What do you think? Is there any shot for this to work and even if, by some miracle, it does and Philadelphia is given the power to regulate gun sales, will that be an effective short term solution to the current homicide crisis? Sound off in the comments.
Comments (47)
It's stupid, even by Philadelphia standards. Philadelphia can't "fix" a culture that celebrates out of wedlock births and no respect or appreciation for the power of education. Things are only going to get worse.
Posted by Anonymous | July 12, 2007 12:13 PM
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Posted by Jasper Zeigler Jr | July 12, 2007 12:21 PM
I don't even think this is an effort to try to fix it. Its just trying minimize the impact on our city
Posted by philly on the rise | July 12, 2007 12:31 PM
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Posted by Jasper Zeigler Jr | July 12, 2007 12:41 PM
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Posted by Jasper Zeigler Jr | July 12, 2007 4:09 PM
You can't stop ignorance. You change all the gun laws and allow people to buy one gun a year and black people will just use rocks to still kill one another. If black people would just accept personal responsibility and respect life like everyone else than maybe more young black men and women would grow old instead of dying at the hands of another black man or women or spending his or her days in a jail cell. I am black so don't think that I am racist sometimes the truth just hurt a little bit.
Posted by LAMONT W THOMAS | July 13, 2007 8:14 AM
Lamont :
Overnight - Two men and a 15 year-old boy are dead and two other men in critical condition after three double shootings.
Lamont when I was in Vietnam I never gave up. We will get through this present ignorance. Just have to keep on " PUSHING ".
Posted by Jasper Zeigler Jr | July 13, 2007 8:44 AM
Well, Jasper Zeigler Jr, to quote Winston Churchill, "If you're going through hell, keep going." And though I wasn't in Nam, I do remember that solution working from back in my hitchhiking days. And Philadelphia now is one of those kinds of cities where, if I was still hitchhiking, I'd just keep thumbing rides through (and even turn to walking if absolutely necessary) until it was all safe and soundly behind me. And I'd probably later write a song about it not all that dissimilar to Bob Dylan's "Stuck Inside of Mobile With those Memphis Blues Again."
Which, let's all be real about it, is how a lot of people view Philadelphia today when passing through here or viewing it from a distance.
Springsteen once wrote a song, I forget which one now, where he sang something to the effect of, "It was the kind of place where if you hit a redlight you don't stop." And I think a lot of people see Philadelphia that way nowadays, particularly when they see the constant headlines of how Philadelphia now has the highest homicide rate in the country.
But to me what makes Philly so crazy is how no one hear ever thinks to ask, "Why are Philadelphians killing each other at such record rates?" And yet to me it's fully clear the reason why that question isn't asked is because it would shine a bright spotlight on the real source of this problem -- those among us who we're all supposed to treat as if above reproach but who are far from being worthy of such.
For come on, seriously, look at some of the people who hold the status of "respectability" in this city. In fact, look at all of them while we're at it. For there's the whole problem as I see it. For just to be fully fair and objective here, I have never encountered a bigger array of morons in my entire life! for have you been to Philadelphia's nicer communities, Jasper Zeigler Jr, and actually tried to engage in intelligent conversations with those residing in them? Given the nice appearances of their communities you'd expect that to be possible, but oh, how surface appearances can be so deceiving! I mean, that's what's so surreal about Philadelphia right now. the citizens here expect the city to somehow improve for the better while in its mover and shaker communities all intelligent thinking gets shoved aside.
For instance, I've been saying for many years now that the way to turn North Philadelphia and other seamier parts of Philadelphia around for the better is by bringing back the types of employment opportunities that those residing in those communities would be good at and that would help generate new wealth for this city at the same time. And is that the right answer? Well yes, of course it is. But do you think it's an answer that those who currently reside in Chestnut Hill, or Society Hill, or Winchester Park, or Pine Valley, or Somerton in the far Northeast, or Overbrook can even begin to grasp? No. For simply put, morons cannot even begin to grasp intelligent thinking and intelligent solutions let alone be competant enough to apply it.
Now to me personally, I don't understand why morons should hold such place of privilege the way they do here in Philadelphia. I come from the school of thought that if you're going to live a lifestyle of privilege you should be worthy of it, you should be where you are because of the good you've done for others or that you're willing to do in the case of those who are inheritors. But we don't hold anyone to that here. Call it the elephant in the room, if you will. And equally mystifying to me is why those who reside in the city's ghetto areas are shooting each other when they should be turning their guns on those who they should be shooting and where it would actually make sense to.
Posted by Steve W | July 14, 2007 12:22 AM
Among myself and other notables. Steve I wish deeply I could answer why and end Philadelphia's killing rate this second. Steve I was born and achieved a fair amount of boundaries in Philadelphia and know this very moment , I can obtain more fair amounts of boundaries.
Two things about Philadelphia , people of respectability and thumbing should be aware of. The natives will do as they please and Philly is the rebel capital of the United States.
Having said this - Philadelphia could well be the place that when you come to a redlight you shouldn't stop but a lot of good people and others aren't able to combat a situation or engage in improvements , so you generate conversations and thinking toward comptetant solutions.
Of ! course a moron desires to spotlight problems , that's why they are morons.
How great the solution. How great the solution depends on.
Appearances
Expectations
Inheritors
Opportunities
Privileges
Hey Steve - I'm originally from North Philly :-)
Posted by Jasper Zeigler Jr | July 16, 2007 10:09 AM
I am not given up but I am just sick and tired of people being killed especially the children and women. I can't believe that the people who hold office who is always trying to speak out on things that make no sense at all like what they did or what they are going to do never just step up and try to become real leaders in the community and speak out about the police who I view as being just as guilty as these thugs out on the street who are just shooting up Philadelphia.
Posted by LAMONT W THOMAS | July 17, 2007 12:35 PM
Hey Lamont how you doing bud. Well the latest that has a lot of folks in a pause , is the bar owner being kidnapped and tortured in W. Philadelphia. Lamont you and I share quite a few feelings and for sure I think our main concern is this complex culture of people killing people.
Between you and I Lamont. I'd prefer if so called leaders wouldn't speak. They solve nothing when they speak , they make no sense and are truly punks.
The real leaders are either gone or the system tries not to allow them comprehensive references or their successful advocates and allies.
Lamont - I wish this wasn't true but State , City and Community leaders want this sad state of affairs.
Posted by Jasper Zeigler Jr | July 18, 2007 3:20 PM
Hey Lamont want to hear something out of the chair of non-caution. A female assumed because she was licensed to carry a firearm , she could bring her .25-caliber Beretta to Family Court. The police say she had a nasty attitude and didn't think there was anything wrong with carrying a gun and a knife in her purse into the domestic court.
In my opinion Lamont. Weapon offense charges were to mild. Since when is it ok to come armed in this type of setting.
Posted by Jasper Zeigler Jr | July 19, 2007 4:13 PM
People killing each other is just what can be expected in a city that has been written off by the rest of the world the way Philly has. But WHY this city has been written off I really don't understand. For to me it's like telling someone (when I address the world on this matter), "Hey, your heart has stopped beating," only for the world to reply, "I know. But so long as my lungs still work, my liver, my pancreas and so forth, I'm not going to worry about it."
I would like to at least have some reassurance from the rest of the world that it knows the importance of not writing off Philadelphia completely, as it could if this were Mobile, Alabama, Melbourne, Australia, Guernica, Spain or what have you. But such reassurance is neither here nor there. And boy, are those Philadelphians with guns having a great deal of fun with this right now. But in a way that's beneficial to the rest of that world out there? Hardly.
But in ultimately solving the problem, I am convinced that Philadelphia cannot possibly turn itself around for the better at this point without some sort of positive outside intervention. While there are good people living here in this city, and Jasper Zeigler Jr. and LAMONT W. THOMAS, I place both you guys on that list, any sort of lifeline coming into this city from the outside keeps going into the wrong hands. Negative outside intervention in other words. And the city's certainly not getting any better over all because of it. Nor is that outside intervention seeing any positive returns for squandering its support in this way that I can tell.
All of us I think know that Philadelphia is on the brink of something big at this very moment. Because of its geographical positioning -- it's not Kalamazoo, Michigan or wherever after all -- something major is about to happen here. The truth of this is inevitable. But as a famous Russian writer once asked, "Is that light we see up ahead that of daylight at the end of the tunnel, or the prison warden's office window at midnight?"
Philadelphia at this moment, and it's been this way for a very long time now, is for the most part in an assassinated state, as, too, are its counterparts the Jersey Shore, the Pocano Mountains, etc. Plus its surrounding suburbs in general (the Main Line, Elkins Park, Ambler, New Hope, etc.) And the question is, where does it go from here? Is it about to become a major U.S. counterpart of Mainland China next? For that's the way it's looking at this moment, what with U.S. Airways soon to be introducing nonstop flights between Philadelphia International Airport and Beijing, and quite possibly also Shanghai, the latter being China's main business center. Meaning that we could be seeing the corpse of Philadelphia rising up from the dead soon. But as the great city we all so fondly remember and long for the return of? Or as a hideous zombie? I have no idea. But we are all going to know pretty soon. Meaning that those reckless Philadelphians with guns on our streets might all be prophets for all we know.
Posted by Steve W. | July 20, 2007 3:28 AM
Steve W :
You've put truth where truth is missing :
1. Too much of the City's incoming lifeline is going into the wrong hands.
2. Gun toting rebels just may be prophets for all we know.
3. The city isn't getting any better because the homeless have returned.
Sadly Steve W , the only thing Philly has gone for itself presently is a mentally underpowering and confusion on all of its conversation calls.
CBS Evening news with Katie will be featuring Philadelphia's condition this evening.
Posted by Jasper Zeigler Jr | July 23, 2007 8:52 AM
I think it's fair to say that a straightforward investigation of these ongoing Philly killings would pretty much reveal a situation not all that dissimilar if not identical to the Rwanda Genocide. Only difference, in this case the killers are promised a lot of bling bling crap in place of the coveted banana plantation. But it's the same principle, and the same people ultimately behind it. People who are stubbornly and collectively determined to delay the justice long overdue them and who are totally convinced they can make that delay a thing of permanence if they just keep taking things in this direction.
To correct the problem this city needs outside intervention to be sure. Trouble is, we are seeing outsider intervention, but it's outsiders of this city's oppressors' choosing, which is really not all that dissimilar if not identical to when Spain's rising Francesco Franco recruited the German Nazis to come bomb the defenseless Spanish town of Guernica. Up in Northeast Philadelphia, for instance, we see how for the past 18 years the Fox Chase Cancer Center was headed up by a Dr. Young from Ohio, and how its new president, Dr. Seiden, is from Massachusetts. And though they're both outsiders, as outsiders go they don't get any creepier than that. And the same is true of Ms. Sarah Thorp, recruited from Iowa to serve as the executive director of the Delaware River City Corporation.
What we need to turn Philly around for the better are outsiders coming to here who weren't hand-picked by our city's oppressors to do so. A type of Allied Forces invasion as it were, which could just as easily come from Ohio, from Massachusetts, from Iowa. But short of that the genocide going on here is just going to go on and on and on. For quite seriously that's the whole idea, as Mayor Street, Police Commissioner Johnson and others put on their phony show of "We're doing all we can."
Posted by Steve W. | July 24, 2007 1:40 AM
Steve W :
In October 1967 before the " Freedom Bird " I was a passenger on could land in Vietnam we became stacked. Yes stacked. Stacked because the run-away was being bombarded. Was I close-minded to the reality of war .... No.
In 1968 during my continuing tour. Did my mind react like a coward politician or a sheepish community when under attack during the " TET OFFENSIVE " .... No.
I'm saying all this to say. Everyone's community is their's and all that's needed is courage from the " whole " to stop the frequent Philadelphia homicidal war.
Standing up without weapons and showing what you are made up is the move. A coward dies over and over but a person with courage will rise over and over as well his or her community.
Its funny Steve how a community can be petrified of the very one's who fear a community.
Posted by Jasper Zeigler Jr | July 24, 2007 2:12 PM
Several week's ago on "60 Minutes" Bob Simon interviewed one of the men who did extensive killings in the Rwanda Genocide, and he was such that he very much fit the profile you've given us, Jasper. This man, completely exonerated of all charges against him -- and I sure as hell would like to know how that works (talk about deregulation taken to the utmost extreme!) -- was clearly one for whom community meant nothing, other than to be cut down as if something to be afraid of otherwise. And while North Philadelphia, West Philadelphia, etc., are seeing genocide of the Rwanda/blue collar variety, there are diabolical forces in Northeast Philadelphia seeking to bring about a genocide here of the white collar variety, namely the Fox Chase Cancer Center v. Burholme Park.
All the many communities right around Burholme Park hinge on its very existence, whether they know it or not. It holds that whole entire area in such a critical state of balance that, take that park away, or even just a small portion of it, given how much it's been whittled down already, and we're looking straight on at a Guernica type situation about to happen there. As white collar proposals go, I have never seen one crazier than this. Or more diabolical.
For all the communities right around Burholme Park are not recently formed ones by any means. They are very very old continuous communities dating all the way back to America's first beginnings with European settlement. And as such, clearly meant to continue onward as communities. But the Fox Chase Cancer Center, in its supreme arrogance, has decided it wants to bring a full halt to that. Not by guns and random shootings, but via far more brutal tactics. And the residents of there are all supposed to say "okay" to this, while some in their shear stupidity -- such as Craig Turner, president of the Fox Chase Homeowners Association -- already have. Not to mention Northeast Philadelphia's leading newspaper, the Northeast Times, fully endorses it, as well as mayoral candidate Al Taubenberger.
We don't hear much about white collar crime in this city, only that of a blue collar nature. And it is precisely through that that the Fox Chase Cancer Center is deriving its greatest strength. We don't hear about white collar crime, so we don't know that it is to be feared most of all. And if the cancer center gets its way we'll get to see why. But it will also be too late.
And let it be said that all blue collar crime totally pales in comparison to white collar crime. In the realm of blue collar crime murders are murders. There's a seeable tangibility there, a clearcut, straight on view of what's right and wrong, who can be fairly accused and so on. But in the realm of white collar crime "murder" becomes replaced by the very pleasant sounding word "casualty," and is merely a statistic. And it's such a muddled form of crime that when it comes to pointing the finger of blame at anyone, who do you blame? For certainly not that very respectable looking bald headed gentleman in his nice suit who speaks so calm and eloquently. For that just doesn't fit the criminal profile. And that's what makes the Fox Chase Cancer Center so very very dangerous.
Posted by Steve W. | July 25, 2007 4:22 AM
Steve W :
I once told you , I wasn't aware of Burholme Park.
Stevie I was mistaken. When I'm enroute to visting reatives in the NorthEast. I travel down Church Road from Montgomery County and turn onto what becomes Cottman Avenue and the other day for the first time , I really saw Fox Chase , the Park and everything in the immediate area. Right away I thought of you.
Steve that is a nice area and I can understand your appreciation for beauty. I believe your earnest appeal in maintaining the community. I did hear Al T-berger mention his support for the Fox Chase Center. I don't know the man , I don't like the way he sounds and I can see he is a yes person.
I wish the Fox Chase Cancer Center great rewards in scientific methods but no organization has the right to hold an entire area in a critical state of balance. Besides myself. My boys are looking at this plight.
T-berger has blown his mayoral identity. He will never be mayor of Philadelphia.
Posted by Jasper Zeigler Jr | July 25, 2007 9:20 AM
No, it'a not the Fox Chase Cancer Center that holds that entire area in a critical state of balance, it's the park that does, Burholme Park. And I'm talking laws of physics-wise, not economically.
Being as you travel through that area regularly, you should be fully aware of the limitations the existing major arteries of that area can handle traffic-wise. Of major arteries in that specific vicinity, there are only two -- Rhawn Street, and Cottman Avenue which you cite as using regularly.
And that area has two choices. Either: 1) Begin to reverse development in that area to bring everything back in proportion with what those arteries are designed to handle; or 2) Fully re-build either or both these existing major arteries so that they can fairly handle the traffic brought on by the present development plus any new development to come, such as the Fox Chase Cancer Center's proposed expansion out at that remote location.
It is estimated that if the Fox Chase Cancer Center does expand at that isolated location to the extent it's seeking to it could increase the traffic now using those two arteries by as much as 10,000 additional vehicles per day. And keep in mind that both Cottman Avenue and Rhawn Street out in that area are both only two lanes each. In other words, they're not major, or even minor, highways by any means. And so far as highways go, the closest one -- Route 1 (Roosevelt Boulevard) is approximately three miles away.
And of Rhawn Street and Cottman Avenue, between Roosevelt Boulevard and the Fox Chase Cancer Center/Burholme Park vicinity they are developed along both sides in such way that they cannot be widened, at least shy of it costing in the billions and billions of dollars (your money). For to widen either or both, every single property alongside them would have to be acquired via eminent domain at fair market value -- as required by the U.S. Constitution -- and then demolished. And travel along Cottman Avenue to see what all properties we're talking about, ranging from schools to churches to recreational centers to railroad overpass bridges to untold amounts of residential houses to commercial properties and so forth and so on -- all just so to be able to make the Fox Chase Cancer Center's expansion at that remote location workable in the end.
Another alternative is to build a major highway (something along the lines of the Blue Route) just outside the city running through all the suburban areas there -- Cheltenham Township, Abington Township, etc. But a major highway running from where to where? Look at any map of that whole area and you tell me. And again in this case eminent domain would have to come into play, and likewise it, too, would cost in the billions upon billions (again, your money.)
But see, the current plan is to expand the cancer center out at that remote location -- destroying Burholme Park in the process -- while making no changes to the existing infrastructure around there at all.
Just the loss of Burholme Park alone will render that whole area around it uninhabitable, given the balance it keeps everything in that area in a critical state of. But we're talking doing away with the park plus adding as much as 10,000 additional vehicles per day to that area's existing arteries. And with NO COMPENSATION WHATSOEVER to the millions of people living in that area now who are going to be losing a habitable place to remain living in as a result of these two things. Some people of that area will be able to afford to up and move away from there, writing off they're losses completely as it were. But assuredly that WON'T be the majority.
That is, are you starting to get the picture now?
And because the cancer center is putting forth this image of having Nobel laureates on its cancer research team to gain full credibility that what it's seeking to do is on the "up and up," that deception on its part is what makes this an international issue, not merely local. For in terms of the impact the Fox Chase Cancer Center will have on that entire area if it does pull off what it's seeking to, we are indeed talking Guernica here. As in, once there were these communities where people lived, with an historic park as their centerpiece, helping them all maintain a habitable state of balance. But one day the "bombers" came, sanctioned by the domestic political leadership (Governor Rendell, U.S. Representative Allyson Schwartz, Philadelphia City Councilman Brian J. O'Neill, etc.), and in a flash it was all gone. That's what we're looking at here.
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