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Marc, I've been writing that the BYC is very difficult to get around. What's your understanding of it? From what I understand, if a player's new extension is more than a 120% raise, then that player's value going out is the GREATER of 50% of his actual salary for this year OR the total salary of his last season under the old contract. For example, Travis Outlaw's salary is $4m. If Portland wanted to trade him, the value would only be $2m. At the same time, the value coming back to Portland has to be within in 25% of his $4m. So trading him straight up for Giricek $4m (example only to make the numbers as simple as possible!) would not work. All of this comes into play now because both teams are over the cap. If we tried to trade for Outlaw in the Summer, it would be much easier because we would be under the cap. Am I correct Marc?

It's silly to think that the Blazers would trade those three guys for Miller if they can use the same package to get Harris. Harris is an elite young point who defends like crazy. Miller, though a good fit for Portland, isn't nearly equal value.

There isn't a GM in the league that would take Miller over Harris, except maybe George Karl.

Marc, I think this deal would have to be looked at by Big Ed, but I think the 76ers might be able to do better.

I like the deal on the surface, especially getting Channing Frye and Travis Outlaw. Both could possibly start for this team, as could Steve Blake. However, Blake has two more years on his contract for $4M per and a team option for a third year. If the 76ers make this deal, then they go into the offseason with $10M in cap room (not enough to get a stud low post threat) but possibly a scorer like Cory Maggette.

I think my first consideration would be contacting Memphis. As mentioned here before, I would offer A. Miller, Dalembert and Carney for Pau Gasol, Mike Miller and Kyle Lowry.

My second consideration would be offering A. Miller and Willie Green to Orlando for Keyon Dooling, Carlos Arroyo, P. Garrity and Maurice Evans and a no. 1 pick. The salaries match up perfectly -- $12.5M for Green/Miller, $12.8 for the Magic players. With this, you have $22M in cap room this summer and 4 no. 1 picks over the next two years.

My third option would probably be Portland. Truthfully, I would rather have Jarrett Jack instead of Steve Blake because he is a much better defensive point guard and has good size at 6'3. However, they would probably have to take Blake to make the salaries match up.

Still, getting Frye and Outlaw would further make the 76ers a track team. Outlaw, Iggy and Thaddeus are about as athletic as you can get and Outlaw and Iggy have turned the corner from being just great athletes to being good basketball players.

Another fact to keep in mind is that Portland is clearing salary cap space for the 2009-10 season. The team currently is set up to have the most salary cap space in the league entering that season, and adding A. Miller's $10M expiring contract to that only helps that cause. They want to make sure that they have the means to ink Roy, Aldridge and Oden to long-term deals.

So, there are my top 3 options. My 3A option would be trading Miller and Carney to Miami for Williams and D. Cook or a future no. 1. However, it's looking like Miami might just sit on Williams or try to trade him for a future pick themselves.

So guys, that's my top 4 actually. What do you think?

How about Rodney Carney and Kevin Ollie to Memphis for Stromile Swift. The Sixers can keep kidding themselves about Carney for as long as they want, but, he has been, and I think will continue to be, a bust. I love having Ollie in the locker room, but they can survive without him.

I think Swift is in the last year of a $5.8m deal.

Your starting line-up would be:

Miller
Iggy
Young
Swift
Damlembert

Bench:

Green
Williams
Evans
Smith
Misc.

If we do trade Millter, the team that gets him should also be required to take Booth. He has a player option for next season and you know he will exercise it. Sixers have 15 players on the roster, so if you make the Portland deal and include Booth you still need to cut one player. Herbert Hill or Shav!

CAB, do your research. Swift has a player option next year for $6.2M. No, No, No. He's in the Steven Hunter category to me.

There are stories that shaggy williams was driving around hafey after he graduated that is funny...... But there are people who graduated after shaggy williams and he is 30 or older right or wrong?????????? Right and do you believe the boys that he ran with graduated after him.......and some people will say that his friends still act like they are in high school....going out drinking every night and getting drunk in night clubs and still trying to charge drinks and food for people they do not know with a credit card that is thier parents.......and by the way the parents closed the account......now shaggy williams might have acted like he was imature but I think today he has a family a house two cars a wife a two children which is more then he can say for his boys........i think some of the still live at home with their parents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And shaggy williams can still knock down any shot on the court.............

datruth4life, I would have to go with option 2 and replace Green with Evans (and then try and trade Green next!) This trade actually helps Orlando a lot, so I would feel confident about asking for a protected number one pick. I don't like either memphis trade... Our final tally for the Iverson trade would then be: 3 first round draft picks, cap relief, and the development of Iguodala. I guess that ain't too bad.

do the cap numbers work for nocioni for igoudala ?

Don!t think Portland wants A.Miller. They wanted a young point with playoff experience that is a good defender[D.Harris] But they are in a situation where next year they have app. 22 players they have to choose from. If i!m E.S., I!m inquiring about some of their young players and draft picks, they may just not have room for them. I hope we can capitalize on all the injury woes of the teams in the playoff picture. Cleveland just lost Varejio along with Pavlovic. Come on ED, kick!um when their down. I don!t think alot of this Memphis talk can happen.Now that Conley has been playing, they would be foolish not to give time. They are very talented.Lets see, Gay and M.Miller or Thad and Iggy[tough choice] I had thought Sammy for Pau but they gave Milicic 6.5 million a year and I don!t think he and Sam could play together.

Nucioni makes 8.5 this year.Love his fire and jump shot but he!s a three. If Thad becomes a 4 it could work. When Memphis mentioned him in Gasol talks, Chicago said thanks but no thanks. They know what they have. If we get a big point, a sign and trade for Gordon might work.

DaTruth, you throw some interesting options out there. I'd probably go with the Orlando option, but with one caveat: I'd want Jameer Nelson thrown in the deal instead of Arroyo. Additionally, I wouldn't need Maurice Evans for Green. So, if you got me Jameer, Dooling (expires after season), and Garrity (expires after season) for Andre Miller and Rodney Carney, I'd go ahead and do that. With this deal, you'd achieve the following:

1) $6M in add'l cap space next year, bringing the total to around $16M
2) Your PG of the future (and a good defensive one at that)
3) A free look at a talented combo guard in Dooling

Comments on the other deals:

The Portland deal comes with too much salary back; plus Steve Blake is average at best. The Denver deal that I've mentioned (Miller and Carney for Najera, JR Smith, and Steven Hunter) doesn't net you as much in talent as the Orlando deal, but does give you a little more in cap space.

The Memphis deal doesn't give you the necessary cap space to go get the PF necessary in the off-season. If you deal with Memphis, it has to be a swap of salaries (essentially, Dalembert, Jason Smith, and a 2009 #1 for Pau and Lowry). Mike Miller has 3 years left at $9M per - no thanks. This would then dictate a separate deal for Andre Miller to another team.

Chris Wilcox,and Mike Bibby?

Don't trade Andre Miller for less than a legit young player or 1st round pick period.

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If you're ging to make a trade with Portland, you have to get Jarrett Jack, who would pair well with Sweet Lou. Jack can defend the 1 or 2. And if they 6ers do look at Villanueva with the Bucks, get Charlie Bell too, who would also pair up well with Sweet Lou and can defend the 1 or 2. Perimeter D and a low post scoring option are the big weaknesses on this team.

Agree on Jack, read tonight on HOOPSHYPE that Portland may be shopping him. Milwaukee is disappointed in Bell this year, they may just do a straight up deal for Green. Green gets to the basket, they have plenty of outside shooters. A change of scenery may be good for both players.

SUEDE!S SEVEN SIXER SUMMER SCENARIOS:: bEST TO WORSE: 1] Draft Beasley,sign Calderon, [Foster,Turiaf]trade Miller for future picks and young talent 2] Draft Gordon,sign Calderon, C.J. Miles, Diop; trade A.Miller and Iggy to Indiana for J.Oneal 3] Draft Rose, sign Turiaf and Foster, sign and trade Iggy for B.Gordon [Rose can guard the big two guards] get what you can for Miller. 4]Draft Love, sign Calderon,Diop, and C. J. Miles; sign and trade Iggy and future #1 to G.ST. for M.Ellis and Bellinini; get what you can for Miller 5]Draft Bayless, sign Jamison; trade A.Miller to knicks for J.Crawford [Knicks either clear 10 million off cap next year or use Miller] Play Iggy at the 3, bring Thad off the bench to fill Korvers role. 6]Draft Mayo, sign Jamison, keep Miller, play Iggy at the three, bring Thad off the bench. 7] Draft D.Jordan [probably a center in future] sign Calderon,Azubuike,Turiaf; trade Delember,Evans and Utah #1 to Charlotte for Okafor[s. and tr. 15 mill.] In each of these scenarios we add at least 2 pure shooters, a post presence and players that can defend. I assumed Iggy signs for 12 mill. per, and we have approx. 12 to 14 million under the cap.We are going to have to overpay for Turiaf, C.J.Miles; I believe they are both restricted. If we make the playoffs and are out of the lottery, E.S. really has his work cut out for him.

The Raptors GM was on Chad Ford's podcast and said they're going to re-sign Calderon. They pretty much have to considering TJ Ford's injury. He can't take another hit with his back & neck history.

I would advocate for A. Jamison only if they keep it to 2-3 years. It's worth overpaying for a shorter contract. Turiaf, Collison and Wilcox are better bargains.

Azubuike and CJ Miles are very interesting names. CJ Miles might be able to be signed on the cheap. He's 6'6", and itching for regular minutes. Azubuike had a great November when he got minutes. And he plays perimeter D.

I really like Monta Ellis and Diop. Ellis is under Baron Davis' shadow in Oakland, and I think he'd explode in the Eastern Conference. Diop can't score but can rebound and play D, and the dude is a legit 280 lbs., and would be nice to match up with Jason Smith until Smith fills out and hits the weightroom over the next few years. I like Okafor but for no more than $12-13 mil per, and he wants much more, as does Iggy.

Trading Miller will happen if Ed can get an expiring contract (a 1st round pick would be nice) or the players you list here. How could any GM not go for this trade as you put forth if it in reality is something Portland would do?

Who cares if it makes the Sixers younger. I'd make this trade in a heartbeat. Getting Outlaw, Blake and Frye is too good to be true. However I'm sure Ed can do something if he wants to. The big question, does he want to?

I'd like to think so after seeing that way he traded Korver but am not so sure. After the Korver mistake, Ed needs to do something to get back my confidence not that it's keeping Ed up at night.

All in all I'm betting there are some intriguing possibilites out there for Miller. The big question is how much can Ed get in return.

Jameer sucks. I could kind of excuse the homers calling for him the year he got drafted, but that was four years ago.

If you trade with Orlando it has to include Arroyo because of the expiring contract. Why would you waste $6M on a marginal, undersized combo guard when you can use the money toward Calderon or Arenas?

I don't think people realize that this is pretty much it for the Sixers in terms of an under-the-cap window. Once you extend Iggy, Lou, sign a couple free agents, it's gonna be a while before they have any kind of financial flexibility.

You have to take a big swing this summer, and $10M won't cut it.

The problem with Orlando is all they can offer is cap space and a late pick, which are key obviously, but they don't have a single decent young prospect to add in.

Portland, Atlanta, or a bunch of other teams are better opportunities.

"I don't think people realize that this is pretty much it for the Sixers in terms of an under-the-cap window. Once you extend Iggy, Lou, sign a couple free agents, it's gonna be a while before they have any kind of financial flexibility.

You have to take a big swing this summer, and $10M won't cut it."

Zarathustra, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Ed has the opportunity to swing for the fences this offseason. That's why I want the $20M in cap room and extra no. 1 pick.

This cap room and 4 no. 1 picks in the next two years added to a core of Lou Will, Iggy, Thad, J. Smith, Dalembert, then Big Ed has the ingredients to turn this ship around.

Andre Miller is the third best point guard on the trade market right now, behind J. Kidd and Mike Bibby. He will be 32-years old next month, no longer can play defense and has no range outside of 15 feet. He doesn't have the pedigree and overall impact on the game that J. Kidd does nor does he have the pure shooting stroke that Mike Bibby has. I think those of you who are asking the world for him aren't being realistic.

I don't think Ed will miss the forest for the trees, as many people here have. With A. Miller and Korver, this team was awful and wasn't going anywhere. Ed knows to be a team that can compete year in and year out, he has to get better talent. Miller is just the next option in the chain of getting that talent.

I have faith in Ed to do the right thing at the trade deadline and this offseason. Too bad he wasn't hired this past summer when this team had 3 no. 1 picks and Andre Miller to get something done.

Here's a trade for you:

Sixers trade:

Miller, Dalembert, Booth, Amundson to Toronto
Carney to Atlanta

Toronto trades:

Calderon, Dixon, and Nesterovic to Philly
Bargnani to Atlanta

Atlanta trades:

Josh Smith and Lorenzen Wright to Philly

Toronto gets top notch PG(Miller) and C(Dalembert) to go with Bosh.
Philly gets their PG(Calderon) and PF(Smith) of the future and around $30 MILLION in cap space this summer.It would give the Sixers 4 of their starting 5.
PG-Calderon
SG-Iggy
SF-Young
PF-Smith
And with $30 million in cap space they could sign any center they wanted. They could sign the top 2 free agents with that much cap space.
I don't know if Atlanta would do this deal though. They would get 2 former first round picks though, a #1 overall even.

Just throwing out crazy ideas.

I know I'm a little ignorant here, but who in gods green earth is Shaggy Williams? Let me in on the joke!!

Nesterovic has a player option for 8.4 mill. next year, I don!t think he will pass that up. I thought Calderon was unrestricted, if he is , I think he will test the market.[ he is way underpayed]

Nesterovic has a player option for 8.4 mill. next year, I don!t think he will pass that up. I thought Calderon was unrestricted, if he is , I think he will test the market.[ he is way underpayed]

Marc, would be helpful to see a list of unrestricted/restricted FA available this summer. With all the talk of freeing up cap space, is there anything out there we want and could realistically get?

Dre,
Don't stress over the Shaggy non-sense....

Why are some people itching to trade Iguodala? I don't get it. And the proposals are hilarious. Nocioni? An undersized pf? Ben Gordon? Can we not find a streakier shooter?

Flat out Iguodala can play. He's a beast athlete that has shown glimpses of being a special player. He may never become elite, but if his career stat line ends up being 23 points, 6 rebs, 5 assists, 2 steals, how can anyone complain? Makes no sense to me.

Some of you talk like Iguodala is Renaldo Balkman and it's just silly.

channing frye is chamrin soft and philly fans boo sammy D and hes 2x as good as frye....steve blake is a journeymen who i think flat out sucks...travis outlaw would be a great piece to add but hes not worth andre miller even up because the other 2 players we'd be getting back i think equate to nothing...just my opinion (based on what i think is fact)

Why are some people itching to trade Iguodala? I don't get it. And the proposals are hilarious. Nocioni? An undersized pf? Ben Gordon? Can we not find a streakier shooter?

Flat out Iguodala can play. He's a beast athlete that has shown glimpses of being a special player. He may never become elite, but if his career stat line ends up being 23 points, 6 rebs, 5 assists, 2 steals, how can anyone complain? Makes no sense to me.

Some of you talk like Iguodala is Renaldo Balkman and it's just silly.

extremely well said BB - whatthehell

Whoever continues to post about Shaggy is a moron i hate that guy

If I am Stefanski, I want to make a move for a player that fits his conception of our team going forward, not just any random young player. Now, I have no idea who or what that might be, but they key is not making a move just to make a move.

As far as this summer, couldn't he package Miller, or another player (Dalembert), in a sign and trade to get a 20 mil player?
/ Morty

The Knicks are in talks to try and aquire Jason Kidd. Why not send Andre Miller to the Knicks in return for David Lee, Nate Robinson, and Malik Rose. All players involved have 2 years remaining on their contract, so it would not be as if you were taking on any bad contracts. It would just spread out Andre Miller's two-year, 9 million contract to 3 player who could all contribute. Nate Robinson could be your back up PG, David Lee would be your starting PF, and Malik Rose could be another active body to add to our depleted PF ranks, plus he's a Philly guy. The move makes sense on both fronts. It would allow Lou Will to move into the starting PG role, and would add an actual scoring threat to the PF position in Lee. The Knicks would benefit in getting a legit floor leader that could take advantage of the talent of Randolph and Curry.

jesse garwood:
Are you secretly a Knicks fan? They are not allowed on this post! I would never have tiny nate on my team. There are too many tiny combo guards in the league and every team has to have one. We already have ours in Lou. David Lee, maybe. Why would we want to make the Knicks better??? I live in NY and I enjoy seeing them lose a great deal. Don't steal my joy!!

One more thing... New rule: ignore any Shaggy Williams posts!! Someone out there really needs some love and attention....

Love the chat marc, but I would take that portland trade in a heartbeat.
I agree with zarathustra -
Miller is a nice pg, but to expect to get the world for him (PF, 1 round pick, cap flexibility, etc) is a long shot. He is what he is, an above average pg that can't defend, can't shoot a 3 and is 32 years of age (old by nba standards). Probably the most attractive thing about him is his expiring contract next year.

And to everyone who keeps on saying that we can sign a big-time free agent w/all of our eventual cap space .... with how bad our team is now, we'll have to overpay to get anyone here. we can throw max money at Brand and he still wont come here. want josh smith? well that'll cost you 3-4 million more a year than he's worth (paging Billy King).
I say trade Miller for players w/upside, play our young guys and develop our team through the draft and trades.

BB:

I'm not a Knicks fan, and I agree about Robinson, but honestly, you could give Isiah the 72-10 Bulls and he would find a way to screw it up! So I'm not to worried about the Knicks. But you have to admit, the trade would add to sixer's young nucleus, and allow the sixers to have a viable low post option. In all reality the sixers are going to have a top 5 pick in the draft (cross my fingers, toes,etc)and the draft is going to be loaded with young all star caliber PG's. Would you really hesitate in making that move?

Knick trade a joke. Sixers need top flight talent to put around Iguodala. Need to use "chips" wisely to get quality not quantity.

David Lee is Reggie Evans; Nate Robinson is Lou Williams; Malik Allen is nobody.

John:

Are you serious. First of all, Lee is averaging 10 a game to Reggie's 5, almost 60% from the floor compared to Evans 40%. Shall we even talk about free throw shooting? Yeah, Lee is 80%, how's reggie doing? You obviously missed the bucks game when reggie was 3-13 from the line. Oh, and Malik Allen, plays for the Nets. I'm not saying that David Lee, and Nate Robinson are the future of the sixers, but they would at least be worth evaluating since they are both soo young.

JG - I hesitate big time on that trade! I would make the trade if David Lee was close to being a star but he isn't. He is another servicable PF. You can pick those guys up from anywhere. I am one of the few who would like to see Miller signed for another two years. I just don't think the cap money that the fans want so desparately is going to net us any players in the off season worth a max contract. It to me is not that great a deal. In the end you are trading a top ten PG for a slightly above average PF and cap space. If there is anyone I would want on the knicks is Richardson for Green straight up. Richardson has more of a consistant jump shot. When we get the PF we need he would feel like he was back in Phoenix again.

Jesse, BB makes my point exactly...David Lee is "serviceable". Yes he has a better offensive game than Reggie but his biggest attribute is his hustle. He's not an all-star qaulity player.

Andre Miller is a "chip" when packaged with other chips may bring you a potential all star.

Jason Smith has potential to be David Lee...why trade one of your best chips for Lee!

Malik Rose/Malik Allen...same thing.

How about this nutty one: Iguodala, Miller, and Carney to Atlanta for Josh Smith, Acie Law, an expiring Tyronn Lue and a pick.

Atlanta would be aquiring a legit PG who can dish, score, and give their young team focus, a SF who can fill up a stat sheet allowing Horford to slide back to his natural four position, and an athletic backup to Joe Johnson.

Sixers would be getting a legit power forward who can match Iguodala's overall production, allowing Young to slide down to the small fwd position, give Law a chance to get meaningful minutes and even more cap room once Lue leaves. Then make a run at Gilbert Arenas this summer to play the two, or the one if Law regresses.

The final starting 5 for both teams:

Sixers
Acie Law
Willie Green
Thaddeus Young
Josh Smith
Sam Dalembert

Hawks
Andre Miller
Joe Johnson
Andre Iguodala
Al Horford
Zaza Pachulia

And a final note, I love Iguodala to death as a player, and I wouldn't want to trade him, but he wants the world, the moon and the stars in his next contract and he's good, but not good enough to put yourself in future cap hell for.

Great trade for Hawks, sucks for Sixers. Iguodala is a stud, a keeper, a possible all-star...do not trade him!

It is obvious Ed S. wants to make this an uptempo tema...IF there is any rumor to this trade...DO IT DO IT DO IT. A. Miller does nothing for you now except make you better than you need to be. He is a free agent after next season. Trade him - not trading him was a downfall of EX GM Billy King...

IF THE TRADE IS TRUE .. DO IT DO IT

The package that gets the Blazers Harris includes Jack instead of Blake, so thei price is a bit steeper.

IMHO - I do this in a second if I'm the Sixers and I'm not sure if I do it if I'm the Blazers.

From the Sixers side it does make them a 4x100 relay team. IF (Giant sized if) the Sixers could get Rodriguez in the place of Blake then you're talking a squad that'll run all night long.

Outlaw has come on a lot and I like Frye. It's true that it would be a perimeter team, but to me that means you just have to run a lot of motion.

From the Blazers side...sorry...I just don't see it. True you get Miller to handle the ball and that'll make Roy and Aldridge and eventually Oden more effective, but this is a move to make some noise this year. I suppose that making the playoffs would be good for Roy and Aldridge's development, but I don't know if I sacrifice so much depth to do it.

It is time to move Sammy. He is the major problem on this team and it is disguised by his decent numbers. He is the all-time most undisciplined on-court player that I have seen. Everyone on the team is yelling at him the entire game (shouting out assignments and what not). Combine that with Miller's inability to defend anyone and you got guys coming down the lane at will and that leaves Sammy out in no-man's land because he tries to block everything. Miller and Sammy have to go - young defensive PG and disciplined center with a little offensive ability and the team is automatically better by a factor of 10.

is there any reason for me to believe that Josh Smith isn't just another Gerald Wallace?

If so can we drop him from FA talks? Because G Wallace hasn't done anything.

Elton Brand would do more on THIS team hopping on one leg in the post than Josh Smith.

All the trades coming through are so cap-focused that we're getting crap in return for anyone we trade.

what are we gonna do with all these point guards when he wont be able to give it to anyone down low to space out the floor?

As long as we're talkin' trades that will never happen, I'd rather see Miller, Evans and Green to Miami for Haslem, Williams and Wright. The numbers seem to work, both PG's come off next year, and we'd get a good youngish big man to keep and build on. I think Wright/Young would make a nice SF combo, and Carney gets more of a chance to show up or wash out. Miami's got to blow the thing up anyway, maybe they'll have a case of temporary insanity.

Trade?. The only trade the Sixers need to make is one that will give them Front line scoring. Can you remember the last time the Sixers came down the court needing a basket and could actually post up a big , that could get you two points or at least a trip to the foul line! His name was Moses. How long ago was that. Sammy is a backup center at best. Thanks Billy.

The portland trade giving the sixers Frye, Blake, and outlaw for Andre Miller is the perfect match for both teams. Portland gets a veteren guard who can help lead that team with Roy while the sixers get three very good young players that can help turn the sixers into title contenders. If the sixers make this trade, resign Iguodola and draft a big men such as Tyler Hansborugh from UNC or Roy Hibberet and sign through free agency a good small forward or 2 guard and the sixers next year will be at the very least a top 5 team in the East and in a year after that a serious title contender

Y'all are crazy...

If you want to know the value of Dalembert, ask how many teams would want him even with his contract. I'd say at least 80% of the teams would take him.

He is imperfect for sure but he rebounds, blocks shots, and runs the floor. Plus he doesn't gun, sulk when he doesn't get shots, and you'll not read his name in the papers complaining or getting arrested.

Only way Sam goes is if you can improve yourself, but just like with Andre Miller, you don't give him away.

After Iguodala, Sam is my next keeper unless you can get an upgrade back.

Fun conjecture on this blog, but think Eddie will do better than any of the rest of us!

Well, bye bye Pau Gasol as a Sixer. The Lakers just got him for Crittendon, Kwame Brown, and 2 #1 picks.

Wow, and I wanted to trade Sam, Jason Smith, and a 2009 #1 for Gasol and Lowry. Looks like Memphis wanted to clear cap space - they also just traded Stromile Swift to the Nets for Jason Collins.

Is there a way the sixers can trade Andre Miller and another player for Zach Randolph? Would the knicks be interested? That would be great.

Wow, if the Lakers get healthy and Kobe passes the ball, they'll be tough to beat.

My apologies Dean, Memphis was dying to get rid of him, that package is pretty bad on return.

Zach Randolph could be our answer for a big man who can score and rebound and hit free throws and he should complement Sammy well. Would the knick take Andre, another player(s), or draft picks for him?

By dumping those two salaries, Memphis just cleared around $20M in cap space for next season.

Take note Ed. You'd better move Andre Miller NOW, since you're going to be butting heads with Jerry West in the offseason. Memphis is clearly going to go after Josh Smith at the PF position and will use Darko at C (who averages around 2 blocks / game). West / Ivaroni shaping that team into the Phoenix mold rather quickly.

Yes, but if Josh Smith is a headcase, then they did all that for nothing. I just dont see Smith as a guy worth that $. The free agent class is weak in my opinion. I'd rather play the young guys, see what they get in the draft, and whats available in a trade before i put my eggs in the FA basket for this year.

Atlanta sends Josh Smith, Speedy Claxton's bad contract (and Mario West to make salaries work) to us for Andre Miller and Jason Smith.

Atlanta can't sign both Smith and Childress, wants Horford at the 4, gets a PG to help them now, gets rid of a bad contract, and gets a possible 5 to pair with Horford.

Sixers get an athletic 4 even though they have to take on Claxton's contract.

You guys must spend a lot of time at flea markets because all you seem to be interested in is swapping junk.
Rule #1: don't ever pull a multi-player trade with a losing team, especially if starters are involved (i.e. Memphis and Atlanta)
Rule #2: if two or more teams have have deemed a player soft (Frye), chances are he is soft. You're not going to change him. And you don't want him.
Rule #3: Don't trade your star player if he is still on the upswing (which Iggy still is)

Be patient, wait for the opportunities to present themselves. They will. The Sixers need to operate from a position of strength, not one of desperation. In the meantime, draft smart, develop the promising young talent, and don't waste time with the non-promising talent - trade them or drop them and give a chance to the hungry guys.

Beantown, Thank You!

Beantown:

I've been trying to get this through to some people here for a bit. The Korver trade puts us into a position of strength with a Miller trade. Stefanski's words have backed this up. He will be patient, even if he does not trade Miller this season. By doing so, the chances we make a good move increase exponentially.

I like you rules. Do you also have one about trading your only superstar for .60 on the dollar?
/ Morty

That is to say, do you have any rules about NOT trading your superstar in desperation for .60 on the dollar?
/ morty

Where do you guys get your contract info at? Like Nesterovic having a player option for next year. Obviously this info comes in handy when evaluating some of these trades.

Beantown, morty, etc - right on.

J.Doc, go to HOOPSHYPE.com and go to salaries, you not only get what a player makes, but years left and options.

Theo, I think Iggy is one of the best 3!s in the league. I do not think B.Gordon is a better player.But this team needs 2 players that can spread the floor.If Iggy and Thad make the same money next year, I would use Thad to get that player.I don!t think Thad will ever be as good as Iggy.Montae Ellis has major upside, and Bellineli could fill Korvers role off the bench. If E.S. feels Thad is going to be our p.f. in the future, and Iggy our three, than I don!t trade him.But we need 2 shooters on the floor.And our p.f. should not be onr of them.

Suede, thanks for the info. Its a big help.

in a couple of years thad will be better than igoudala.sad to say but igoudala's offensive game has peaked.

Dean, a couple of things
1. The Sixers will still have about $10m more in cap space than the Grizz.
2. I don't think Jerry West is there any longer. I could be wrong, but Chris Wallace is their GM now.

Wow, the Lakers got Pau Gasol for nothing. Not Stefanski's fault because the Grizzlies ownership just wanted to dump salary and try to sale the team this summer.

It's great that A. Miller put it down tonight in his audition for Orlando. He could definitely make Hedo, Rashard Lewis and Dwight Howard better on the offensive end. However, that team plays no defense. Let's hope Ed can trade A. Miller and Willie Green to Orlando for that package of expiring contracts and a number 1 pick this summer before Orlando's ownership figures out that A. Miller won't help this team at all defensively.

I think Dallas has to pull the trigger on Kidd because they have no toughness or leadership on that team. Kidd can still will his team to win some time.

For all of you who are crying to trade Evans, he came in tonight off the bench for the third straight game and impacted the game. I liked the way he came down the middle and steamrolled Keyon Dooling. When is the last time a 76er actually put someone on their butt? Evans hustles, applies wood, rebounds and plays better offensively off the bench.

Lou Will looked like the Lou Will of old before he got hurt against the Knicks. It's time to move Miller. Dooling or Arroyo can play the point to help the youngsters keep growing. Like I said, give me the $20M in cap space and 4 no. 1 picks.

Memphis and the Lakers kicked this thing off. It's time for the 76ers to get involved.

You are smoking crack if you ever think Portland would give up that much for Miller.... are you kidding me.