Deep Sixer

I hated Allen Iverson. I love Rodney Carney and believe he can carry us for the next 5-10 seasons. Billy King was backed stabbed by upper managment but he had to get that scrub Iverson outta here. The rebuilding process is upon us fellas and we all ready got a few main pieces in place. Im gettin excited for the off-season and hope to bring in some instant help for my boy Carney. P.S.- I saw Calvin Booth at the Oasis the other night and he bought me a dance to go away!!

Marc, it's fool's gold to think that this team can win enough games to be in the playoffs. This team has NO low post threat whatsoever and can't shoot from the outside, so it is often very painful to watch this team play. Stefanski needs to sit down with Dalembert soon and tell him that he needs to work on his game.

I don't know if playing for Canada will help his game this summer or if he should be holed up in a gym somewhere trying to develop at least one dependable low post move.

He is making too much money to be as bad an offensive player and as inconsistent as he is. Sam also needs to get in the weight room. If he wants to get to the next level, he can't continue to let Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynums and other bigs abuse him like they do every time they meet up.

By the way, is there a way to improve a basketball player's hands? The Heat announcer said tonight that if Sam is catching a lob for a dunk, that he can't score down low. His passes and hands were really abysmal in the fourth quarter.

I would have felt better about the 76ers future if they would have traded for Artest or moved Miller. I just don't see how you can remake this team with just $10M of cap room and so many players that other teams don't want. I'd rather have the $20M and 4 no. 1 picks over the next two years, which you could have gotten by moving Miller.

The jury is still out on Stefanski in my book. He followed up the good Korver trade with doing nothing at the deadline, which puts him back at square one in my book. I

I look at a team like the Lakers and the moves that they made and I wonder if the 76ers will ever get back to that point where they have the assets and talent to be in position to do something like that. I get upset to see how far this team has fallen, kind of like a nice house at one time that people just let fall apart and rot from the inside out.

Oh well, it is what it is.

I meant to say in the prior post that the Miami announcer said that it seems if Dalembert isn't catching a lob for a dunk, that he can't score down low.

No low post move whatsoever for a center who is the highest paid player on your team and one that will make $34M over the next 3 years. UN-BE-LIEVABLE!!!!!!

The curse of BK lives on.

DaTruth - right on - Sammy was a mess all night. He is a stiff. He is a paycheck player and he has improved very little since coming into the league. That is partly the fault of the coaches but mostly his fault. I heard that he is taking computer classes - I wonder if they have a computer program that can show him how to put his back to the basket and draw a double team for once in his career. I just thought about it and I don't think Sammy has ever drawn a double team in his career. The curse of BK does indeed live on. Just imagine if we had given that money to Tyson Chandler instead of Sam - we would be in such better shape.

Going back to Zeru's last post from yesterday, Bogut had 20 rebounds tonight - he is averaging more points and what is this better talent that he is playing with. Redd is all they have. Yi has done nothing and Villanueva is a decent player. C'mon, stop making excuses for Sammy. He is not a good BASKETBALL player. He is athletic, but he has no instincts and no court awareness and no BASKETBALL IQ. He just about blew this game tonight with that no look pass to the other team with about 20 seconds to go. If Jason Williams made that shot at the end of regulation, it would have been Sammy who cost us the game. He was bailed out.

Also, lets not get excited about beating the Heat - they lost 11 in a row. I will probably have to hear about how great we are now, because we beat the Heat with no semblance of a Big Man and Sammy could still not do anything. Just like when we won 5 in a row before the break and everyone got excited and I had to hear about Sammy being good and all of this. We beat Washington without Arenas, LAC, Miami, a very banged up Dallas team and Memphis. One of these teams is legitimate and they were without 3 key players on the road.

Please, Cleveland would never trade Ilgauskas for Sammy. Ilgauskas can pass out of the post and can play with his back to the basket. He knows how to play the game. He is not athletic and has lost a step, but I guarantee they wouldn't want Sam over him. Take a poll and see who fans would rather have.

Zeru, I knew you would say that about Nazr and Haywood, but watch them next time they play against Sammy and see who has the better game.

Finally, why doesn't Mo ever put Iggy on the block and let them draw a double-team. Iggy is bigger than almost every guard in this league and could easily back the smaller guards down....this could be another huge dimension to his game....

Sam didn't have a good game tonight -- I was grimacing repeatedly after his ill-advised passes. But while he certainly isn't a star, he still is a solid center... and $10 million is the going rate for solid centers in the NBA these days.

Sam is a strong rebounder, defends the paint as one of the best shot-blockers in the game, and runs the court as well as any big man in the league. He's also improved quite a bit on his 15-to-18 foot outside shot (although he hasn't been shooting it as much recently) in addition to being a constant alley-oop threat underneath.

He certainly does have a hard time with widebodies like Bynum and Howard (but jeez, those guys are giving *everybody* fits these days), and I'm not sure what can be done to remedy those matchups. For the poster who suggested that Chandler would be a better fit; well, while Tyson has certainly played well since leaving Chicago, he has even less of an offensive game (and worse hands) than Sam does.

I would think that once the Sixers get a real power forward -- one who's much bigger than Reggie Evans -- they'd be able so slide Young down to the 3 and start Iggy at shooting guard. That should be the top priority. If you traded Sam, what would you get back? An upgrade at center? Not likely.

It's amazing to me how Sixers fans do nothing but complain about their team, even while they've won 9 of their past 13. I shudder to think what the comments would have been if they had lost this game.

While the Sixers were a little lucky that Pat Riley kept Jason Williams in the game instead of Marcus Banks (Williams was truly atrocious), this was a game that the Sixers could easily lost, and probably would have lost earlier in the year. The situation was even more grim than Marc described, as they were down 5 without the ball and under 2 minutes to go in OT. One could say they were one play (one mistake) away from a loss. Instead, they made all the plays down the stretch. And for all those who complain that Iguodala is not a #1 guy, his change-of-direction, weave-through-traffic, lefty floater to make it 100-96 looked to me like a play a go-to-guy would make. Though I agree that he's not a true #1 guy right now, I would point out that he's made his share of clutch baskets in end-of-game situations this year.

While the Sixers' schedule does get tougher from this point, it's not impossible. They have 25 games remaining, 12 of which come against sub-.500 teams. They've gone 19-12 this year against sub-.500 teams. 10 of their remaining games come against the teams immediately above and below them (Wiz, Nets, Bulls, Hawks, Pacers, Bucks, Bobcats). Do you know what all of those teams have in common with the Sixers? None of them have a strong low-post presence either! So, while it's a tough road ahead, I look forward to the rest of the regular season (and hope not to think about the draft or cap space or trades for a while). We'll get a good read on how legitimate the Sixers are when they get a return home game against the Magic next Wednesday, catching the Magic on the back end of a back-to-back.

Marc,

Please. You send Negadelphia here. The Sixers just gutted out an OT win on the 4th of 5 nite back to backs on the road, and you sound crazy negative,

Sure the Heat are terrible. They also have a revised roster, and, with a day's rest, a killer will to win. The Sixers AGAIN showed, down 5 in OT, the will to fight and overcome. Give the Andre Bros CREDIT.

Are the Suns trash cuz they twice lost to the T-Wolves?
C'mon. Marc- chill out. Or you'll start to sound Tom Moore like.

Keep it real

How about a shooter? Mike Miller type player. You can't start Thad and Iggy in my opinion. Thad has to be a sixth man. Lou Will the 7th. We need a shooter. If we are going to start both Iggy and Thad long term, we will never get over the hump. You need to be able to spread the floor. The only real possibility is to get a shooting PG. That or Andre has to improve his outside shot. He does look to be getting a bit better in general at knocking down open jumpers, so we'll see. Calderon would probably fill that role, so maybe there is a chance we land him in FA. We would have to move Miller or bring him off of the bench. Also, I would like to see us target DJ White in the draft. He is a David West type who can play on the low block. Him or Kevin Love would fit nice if we can get someone like Calderon given where we will probably be drafting (15 - 18).

One thing is certain - this team can't legitimately compete unless Dalembert improves drastically, which I don't see happening or he is moved.

Is there any chance that any team in this league wants Willie Green? He is second on my list behind Sammy. This team has too many guys who are playing in roles that don't suit them.

Statman,

Yeah the No. 1 Option nonsense. There is not 1 successful franchise who has a CEO that buys this crap. Every successful team needs a threesome, a Triad, who each can, when another is either trapped or doubled up, . or have a poor matchup, take that role. NO TEAM can just rely on one guy to score in crunch time; any savy Coach with a brain will TRY and remove that.

Repeat after me....Its DUNCAN, GINOBILLI, AND PARKER. ALL THREE are needed for the team to win, on any sustained basis. AMARE,NASH, and ...either HILL, BARBOSA, AND SHAQ,

This No.1 Option is a myth. Yes, there is a best, most versatile player...but he must be as adept at passing as scoring, not to mention DEFENDING.

The starting center on Miami tonight was Mark Blount. In nearly 45 minutes, Sam had 8 points? Are you serious? Blount had 14 in 30 minutes. At $10 mil, Sammy has to dominate these guys in games like this. He does rebound ok, but that is it. He is not the great shot blocker that everyone claims he is. He is slightly above average because his wingspan is like 17 ft, but his instincts are terrible. Trust me, if he was that good, some teams would have inquired about him at the deadline especially if he is such a good deal at $10 mil.

I will, however, grant you this.

Iguodala, the Olympic level athlete he is, has shown an uncanny ability to find gears in OT that other players cannot meet.

Anybody remember the 2 OT win v Cavs and LeBron last year? Yet, it was more his DECISION MAKING than his scoring that he deserves the credit for. Thats something the first AI lacked. Still does.

If Sam had a pair of hands, Iguodala would have had an easy triple double tonite.

Sam Scissorhand Dalembert.

Hugh,

Man, I'm tired of talking about Sam Dalembert with you...How do you learn how to play offensive basketball when Larry Brown drafted you for one...You aint never getting off the bench...Secondly he played with Allen Iverson his entire career...I wouldn't be used to catching passes or demanding the ball in post either...To be completely honest i'm just so proud they remember how to play basketball period...I dont know if you actually watch the games but Sam has come a long way...I'm not even going to address your list anymore...you lost enough NBA player knowledge cool points on that one...that told enough about you lol...I agree with Suede that once Sam gets some plays called for him he'll get used to handling the ball...But you know your list is ridculious too...

I agree with Kevin, Statman, and Joshua lets the positve in perspective too

I will say in response to statman that Iggy has developed quite a bit this year and has made some clutch shots. He has definitely shown a big improvement from last year. I do believe that he will continue to improve, but I would like to see him develop a low-post game. I really think he can take advantage of his size in the post. Just imagine the things that could be done with a center or PF that could knock down a 16 footer. Iggy in the post drawing double teams and kicking to the elbow for an open 16 footer by Sammy - clang. Great, now I want Bargnani.

Marc,

Does Iguodala get ANY CREDIT for literally making the Matrix invisible? lol

Have never seen Matrix so handcuffed; not even by Bowen.
EVER.

Iguodala is SO underappreciated by Sixer fans who think they are all MBA Wharton grads, with comprehension of $$ player value. lol. Hilarious. Sad though, if he flees, of course, cuz Snider shut the wallet for the one guy of em all that he needed to pay. Jerkass Ed. lol
Typical CEO screwup.
Never see Buss, Cuban, Sarver types screw themselves over, at least not more than once.

Ok Zeru - you keep on trucking with Samuel Dalembert - please do me a favor - show me your list of the 9 centers above him and I will see if I can find some obvious centers that are better. You don't back your arguments with anything. I want the list - I will stop posting about Sammy if you can prove me wrong - I promise.

By the way, did you catch the little scuffle between Willie and Sammy after Sammy was fighting Willie for a rebound. I don't think I have ever seen a player of the same team do that before. Willie's face was so disgusted as if to say, "Get your head out of your a$$."

What we as sixers fans need to do is come to realize is our team may not be the most talented...But as a NBA LEAGUE PASS SUBSCRIBER...I have yet to see ONE team that makes the best of their talent and roster the way the Sixers do...And I'm a harsh fan myself but if you have watched their games this year how could you ever complain about effort or entertainment...Everytime you take something from them they just bite down and fight harder...Isn't that the Spirit of Philadelphia anyway? All we need is a stud at powerforward and Kyle back and We'd be a handful...

Zeru,

I agree 100 pct. And the ungrateful media can shove it for flat out ignoring this team, as it did lasy year as a tanking beneficiary only.

What the heck does the media know? Usually, not a whole helluva lot, my friend.

Ok Zeru - I give up - you are obviously a lost soul. If I was your guidance counselor, I would close the door to my office when you came to visit and pretend to be out to lunch.

Tonight's game was ugly. All of their games are ugly. This is why nobody is going down to watch them. This and the fact that they won't play the most exciting player on their roster (WIlliams). The draft expert (King) decided to draft Green, Iggy and Lou Will who play the same position. But lets give him some praise. I am going to bed - when I wake up, I would appreciate that list.

Beans,

Maybe Snider could use an MBA himself. Hopefully, its true that Luukko has already replaced him.

Question-

How come the Heat draw a full house, 20,000; for a Sixer game; while the LAZYass, or CHEAP? Philly crowd watches home games at home on TV and whines?

What is the Heat record now? 9 wins; -----losses. Hmm. Contradiction looming, here

Yeah I laughed at the Magic game where Green threw that elbow...guess it was some more of our brotherly love lol...

Yoa Ming
Dwight Howard
Pau Gasol
Andrew Bynum
Marcus Camby
Rasheed Wallace
Sam Dalembert
Illglaskus "Cleveland Center" lol
Tyson Chandler
Nick Collison

most of the guys you had up there weren't even Centers, playing out of position, injured or just plain ole didnt belong on the list at all...

Hugh,

LOL

Ok man..you are right they dont play the most beautiful game sometimes...but other times when you see those crisp passes and team work....its very entertaining...Remember that game when we played Atlanta recently...I know lost but that first quarter was like wow when everything was clicking on all cylinders...

Willie Green has a vision disability; its a version of tunnel vision. He thought Sammy was Dwight Howard when he threw the elbow. Note that he just dribbled upcourt still unaware that he nearly elbowed a teammate in the chest.

Its the same in the frontcourt. He never sees teammates. He sees 9 other players but he ONLY REALLY SEES the basket, so he thimkz. Willie Green will have a legacy as follows:

He, Willie, never made a pass to a teammate on purpose. Because he always intended to shoot the ball at that basket, which is all he saw. Any "assist" he was credited was not by design. Those 9 guys all looked the same. Better to just go to the hoop.

The Willy Green Story
paid $20 MM by Bill King, who had another, undisclosed, vision disorder TBD

Beans,

I agree with you that Iggy and Miller are unappreciated but shawn marion is overrated and unwise...He should have never voiced his displeasure with the Suns...Now the NBA will see him for what he is. A athletic guy who cant create his own offense in a half court set...He's only effective on the break with an unset defense...Look for his ugly jump shot to get punched as a member of the Heat

Dying laughing at Beans....Yooooooooo its true! Willie Green puts his head down focuses like he's about to buss threw the line of srimmage on a goal stand...Dude has a score or bust mentality...Emmitt Green..

Yeah he is

Dude is overrated and has a $18 Million Player Option
What a sick world. You are correct sir

Still, his first 2 Heat games he did put up his usual sick numbers. But why would we expect any Phila fans to even note Iguodala sticking like glue on his sorry aerss
lol

LMAO

Willie be blacking out

Willie "Carpal Tunnel" Green

lmao

Willie "Bull in China Shop" Green

Detroit Mercy

U see any mercy in dat game? I dont
Dont think I ever will. either

hah

Good night. Z.

cant stop lmao here

Me neither man, I'm still dying on the Willie Green story..LMAO That was crazy I got a headache now.. Be easy Beans lol.

Hugh ,

I forgot about Kaman put him about five on my list its late should have done it later today and push Nick off the list

WILLIE..... be squinting his eyes ...but he gonna get to that hoop thru hell or high water....GREEN

Bur wait!! Whistle Blows...OFFENSIVE FOUL, 33.. On the Green team..

1st and 10...the other way!

I'm ok with Sammy as our C but wonder if a legit PF with his own low-post game wouldn't make Sammy look a whole lot better.

Also, I know the Sixers had Moses Malone specifically working on postmoves with Sam last year. Should Coach Cheeks be literally calling post plays for him. Start small: One designed play per quarter. Rinse and repeat.

I hope the Olympics experience further exposes him to the way the game SHOULD be played with respect to inside-outside crisp execution. The internationals do this so much better than us. Maybe it'll rub off on him-like thru osmosis or something.

One thing I do know is there is a whole lotta DRECK out there in the NBA at the C position.

Frank Beans' Willie Green 'EXPERIENCE' was very, very funny. It should be made into a music video. There'd certainly be ample footage to choose from.

A few things here...

1) For those of you who wanted to trade Iggy or not re-sign him, please stop. He's by far the best player on our team, he's an incredibly well-diversified player, and he will be one of the cornerstones of this franchise for the next 5-10 years. His game has improved by leaps and bounds every year, he's only 24 years old, and he's fast becoming one of the best players in the league. He consistently carries his team in the 4th qtr - the mark of a true winner. He averages 19.5 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 4.6 apg, and 2.1 spg. Please don't ever mention again that Andre Iguodala should be traded or not re-signed. Just plain moronic.

2) The shots at Willie Green are a bit unwarranted, especially lately. He's being asked to perform a specific role, which is to provide offense in the 1st and 3rd qtrs. Mo realizes that Iggy and Miller can't do everything on the offensive end, so he needs to split up the socring load. Willie's main deficiency until recently was his ridiculously inconsistent jump shot. The last 5 - 10 games, Willie has hit the outside shot with regularity; if he can continue to do so, it makes a world of difference on a nightly basis. That said, we still need to address this position in the off-season (not Lou Williams), as Willie seems more like a 20 mpg guy off the bench in the long run.

3) Dalembert. True, Sam is probably one of the most challeneged Cs in the game today offensively. I cringe every time he gets the ball with his back to the basket. His post-up game is totally non-existent, and his improved outside shooting from earlier in the season has regressed back to an inconsistent prayer every time he takes a shot. However, Sam is a force on the defensive end. Yes, his basketball IQ is questionable, but at the end of the day, he alters shots, averages a double double, and has gotten much better about staying out of foul trouble this year. With a stud PF (which really should be the primary goal going forward), I'm fine with Sam as our starting C.

Last thing...where are the bloggers who got all over me a month or two ago for not liking Jason Smith? Haven't heard a lot about him recently...want to know why?

Because he's got no heart. He's been brutal the last 20 games or so and doesn't even get time anymore. When he's on the court, he's expecting something bad to happen - watch his body language. His head is always down, he always looks exasperated. Do I want someone like that on my team - NO!! I want guys that can dig deep when the going ain't going so well. I want guys that can fight through a couple of bad games. When a player's back is against the wall, the mark of a winner is to come out swinging, not to wallow in self deprivation. The rookie wall?? I don't want to hear about it - look at Thad. Look at Iggy his first year in the league. Those guys are winners. Jason Smith is not.

Dean,

Thanks so much for your psychoanalysis and body language thesis on Jason Smith. His production is down and so are his minutes. But to categorize him as a loser with no heart is flat out insane. I wish you would take a bit of a break from posting on this blog.

Uh-oh, a Jason Smith hate-fest might start, lemme get my 2 cents in:

1. He's just a rookie, no judgment 'til post-All-Star break next year.

2. You can't ignore the things that he does that don't go up on the box score - high basketball IQ (wasn't so great at the beginning, much better now), great screens, makes great passes, rotates on defense a lot better than Reggie or Sammy

3. Again, the Sixers made their late run with him in the game, can't ignore that. Again, not highlight-reel stuff, but everybody wanted to use him for a screen, after he got that loose ball, I think he passed it to just the right guy afterwards.

Mo talks about playing the hot hand all the time, why didn't he reward Jason for helping to rally the team back by subbing Sammy for him?

BTW, loved the Willie "bull in a china shop" Green stuff above!

Steve - I'm sure you're still apologizing for Rodney Carney as well. And no, your wish will not come true. Dean

Narducci was so cynical here I was almost laughing. The Sixers have a weak team. The fact that they're in this race, winning these bad games, is still impressive to me.

The young guys have something to feel proud about, and then Benjamin the Donkey comes in here knowing too much. If you'd rather have them play down to what they actually are and get in the running for the lottery, write that instead. But tonight was not a bad thing, and yeah the last game was a really bad thing, but at least the team really believes that the next few might be good things, and the thing that impresses me more than anything is that everything which you'd expect to finally bury this thing down has been faced with a thing of true resilience, and that's the only thing I could ever hope for in a young thing like these Sixers.

I hope they upset somebody in the playoffs. With Iguodala coming up big like he did in OT last night, I bet they have a shot.

Dean,

I have never made a comment about Rodney Carney on this blog. But if I did, I would choose to comment on his performances and how they might be helping or hurting the team's ability to win. I would most certainly stay out of the psychoanalysis field as I don't have a degree in Body Language Analysis. I'm guessing your degree in that field is a B.S.

Hugh, anybody that says Haywood and Mohammed are better than Sam, I shouldn!t argue with ,but; Bogut was a #1 overall pick, has his team over or under achieved. Sam was a 28 pick who never played till his junoir year of high school and hardly played in college.If he doesn!t get better, in spite of his athletism I would blame the coaches over him.He never got the ball till A.I. left.Ithink E.S. would never trade Sam for Ilgauskas, an older player who doesn!t post up hardly at all.Sam!s shooting percentage is 4 points higher shooting jump shots.I told you last night I thought Biedrens was a push. He, like Sam is very raw offensively. Finally, if Sam has to be THE man than we won!t win with him but as a shot blocking role player with a true p.f. next to him I think we can.

As fun as it is to bash the team on a nightly basis, but please remember that this is a team of 2's and 3's that practice against each other all the time. Mo should get credit for finding a roll for most of the team but by now he realizes he needs more than just athletic players. The team needs natural position players at the 4 and one more natural point. All Sam has to practice against is Evans, Booth, and J. Smith and you wonder why is offensive game is not getting better. He probably looks like Kareem in practice and becomes Bradley in games. Just like in life "it all begins at home".

Anybody notice the 'Iggy shuffle' before he dropped key left-handed shot? I guess it goes for legit in NBA. Determined drive, but he walked. Has he been admitted to the 'MJ 3-step rule' club like Vince Carter? It's a bird, it's a plane, it's...Iguodala.

Against dregs, AI2's a muscle car. Against more, he's less.

Jason Williams was Sixers MVP last night.

The sixers play hard, I can't deny that. They even play hard on defense. Evans is possessed and, when motivated, Iggy is top 5 percent in the league. So WHY can't they defend the perimeter? Slow and/or smallish guards? Low BBall IQ not able to rotate? Or is it because they've never learned how to defend out there? If that's the case Mo takes the blame. I like Mo and like what's he's doing here, but you would think a defensive-minded point guard when he played would be able to translate. I don't get it. Watching that Magic game drove me insane. Maybe they're just making it too complicated. To me "switch" or "rotate" means leave your man wide open. How about you just stick your man like your life's depending on it. Next time you watch a college game, watch the perimeter defense. Guy's are in your junk on and off the ball. And if he beat's you you know exactly who to blame. Can some of you on this blog who have coached help me understand.

Dean, agree about Green, he is what he is, no more no less.If we add a starting 2 and 4 and Thad becomes the 6th man we become a true contender over the summer.Jumpin Johnny, like Iggy as a 3 more than a 2, could he be Pippenisque, and if so who in the league do we get to be our Jordan.Our wins now take away from getting Rose or Gordon in the draft, what a shame.

Looks like they OVERSWITCH alot.Each player has to be responsible for HIS man.As much as his low poswt game has to improve, I also would put Sam in a gym and make him guard a quicker player one on one over the summer.

Suede, Agree, Iggy's a natural 3. As is Thad. As is Carney. Logjam at that position creates opportunity to move a true talent for a missing true talent. Just gotta decide for who, for what. I assume both AI & Thad would
elicit strong interest leaguewide.

some points.

How about Reggie taking out miami's frontline. So much for Shawn Marion's inflated value.

Also, I don't think Willie played at end of 4th qtr or in OT. I believe Lou Will played in his place? Lou Will played 29 min Green played 26 min.

Fun to watch 2 fast break teams go but doesn't translate against better teams who force the 1/2 court game.

Like to trade Iggy for Wade. No Chance. 1/2 court scorer really needed.

It is pretty bad that Sammy couldn't take advantage Miami's no 'D' center.

I hope they upset somebody in the playoffs. With Iguodala coming up big like he did in OT last night, I bet they have a shot.

Posted by Dave | February 24, 2008 9:3

Yea the only ones that they will be upsetting are the fans who think they are good enough to make it to the second round.

Ok, I slept long and hard and now that I have seen this list, I knew it would have holes. You conveniently missed Shaq. I would also put Okur, Bogut, Chandler and Biedrins on that list. Forget about Haywood even though I would take him over Sammy. Nazr may have been a reach - it was late and I was heated. If Eddy Curry wasn't such of a paycheck player and would lose some weight, he would easily be on this list. I would also put Bargnani on this list. But forget all that. You obviously are not going to be convinced. Keep on watching Sammy get overpowered by guys like Josh Smith and outsmarted by guys like Okur and Ilgauskas. You can jump up and down when he blocks an occasional shot right back to the other team for a layup and his stats are padded or also when he is the only guy under the basket on defense and he grabs the rebound over his own team.

Suede, you are right about him not getting the ball, but what the hell does he do in practice. If I was a $10M a year center in the NBA, I would work every day on my low post moves and 15 foot jump shot - maybe he can also work on how to set a screen (I learned this at the tender age of 8, but I can see where this could be hard for someone to learn). Seriously, he "practices" every day but he still can't shoot, dribble, pass, play on the low block, figure out where he is supposed to be on offense or defense, set screens, not goaltend, outlet pass, move without the ball well. C'mon guys - the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. I think I have to organize an intervention for you Sammy lovers.

Upset someone in the playoffs? They beat the HEAT. The Heat lost 11 in a row. Detroit or Boston will smoke us in 5 (probably 4). C'mon cuz - wake up and smell the roses.

If Brand and Jamison are not options over the summer via trade , the best 2 guard options are J.Crawford, Redd, M.Miller[with Iggy guarding the 2!s],Arenas,D.Cook,F.Garcia,L.Head,J.R.Smith,B.Gordon and Bellinini.Don!t want V.Carter. Don!t think Foye, A.Parker,M.Ellis are an option. Mcgrady and Mobley, see V.Carter.When Atlanta added J.Johnson they felt they had enough lottery picks and it was time to add a major piece. Are we there yet? And which of these would you add? I hate to agree with Dean but a Carney and #1 or two for Miller and Lowry would not look bad along with a p.f. in the draft.

Hugh, not a Sammy lover, But what are the options. Utah almost traded for B.Wallace because Okur can!t guard his shadow. Bargnani doesn!t have a position yet. E. Curry is exactly what we need on offense but you have to play both ends.If Sam gets us a p.f. or 5 to 15 pick, I would do it in a heartbeat. But I don!t see that happening!!

Just a couple thoughts:

I've been saying for weeks that Sammy has to go! They should have gotten rid of him before the deadline. His stock has never been higher. Don't be surprised if Sammy is the one trade in a sign-n-trade this summer.( I hope for Josh Smith from Atl but wouldn't mind Beidrins from GS. Just examples!)

I agree that Green is like a "black hole". How many assists does he have this year? I wouldn't be surprised if he was in the bottom of the league in that stat. At least for guards! I don't understand why Ed didn't unload him at the deadline. If your gonna trade Korver for cap space, why not Green! He's nothing more than back up guard. But I'm sure he could have helped some team making a push.

Dean- "The rookie wall?? I don't want to hear about it". Exactly how many seasons did you play in the NBA? How the hell would you know about the rookie wall? I never played in the NBA either, so I think I'll take the word of almost every other player and accept that there is a bit of a wall. Some players hit the wall a little harder than others.

I could have seen this team POSSIBLY upsetting somebody if they would have gotten help at the deadline(Artest). But this team "as is" is not going anywhere. They'll be lucky not to get swept IF they make it!

Hugh, I coach youth basketball and Iget frustrated when Sam and Reggie roll before the player even uses their screen.Plus when E.S. states Carney has to learn how to get lower in his defensive stance!!! He played at a div. 1 school [Calipari]. E.S.P.N. and A.A.U. ball is killing the sport.[fundamentals] Every big man should be forced to watch footage of Walton at U,C,L.A. and Portland.Europe has the right idea, they run all theyr!e players, big and small, through all the drills, that way they become better fundamentally. Sammy frustrates me every night!!

Suede,

I could not agree more with you in regards to ESPN - I actually had the same conversation with a friend a few days ago.

Look, the team sucks. Forget the nonsense about us having "a core of young talent." Iggy passed up $10 million last summer. If you think he deserves that much or more, you're nuts. His go-to move is a dunk and his other offensive skills are average, which means in a few years he'll be a weak 4th option on offense. Sammy is horrible and, given how many years he's been in the league now, it's safe to say his IQ won't get any better, nor will his low-post moves. Thad Young? Where again was his presence in the Rookie all-star game? Yes, he's another Iggy in the making: an average, undersized forward with no real jump shot. What's left? Green? Please! Lou Williams? He's okay, but stack him against any guard out west and he looks like a chump. Why did they win as many games as they did so far? At least part of the reason is that most teams come in and don't care much about playing Philly! Honestly! We get surprise wins. Not a single player on our team with a killer instinct and not a single player that gives opposing teams any anxiety whatsoever! Think about it--nobody on our roster demands a double-team EVER!! And, no, we're really not at the front of the pack in "rebuilding" either. Look to Seatle for that. They lost enough last year to land Durant and they've been stockpiling 1st round picks. They're the players in the draft and in free-agency in the next three years. Us? We'll we'll have $10 million this summer and maybe next summer, which should land us more mid-range talent so that we too can look like the Bulls.

Hobbes - love the bashing of this dreck. I honestly don't understand the posters who are so in favor of this team making a run - by the way - I gurantee that over the next 20 games, we will, at most, 7 games. The scary part - that might be good enough for a playoff spot.

Here are the Sixers wins this year. Let me know where the quality wins are. None of the West teams (except a banged up DAL team) are in the playoffs and the only East teams that are in the race are Cleveland, Washington and Toronto. This proves that we are on the right track and could not benefit from a lottery pick as we have an abundance of talent already. A solid PF will make Sammy look like Robert Parrish. PLEASE - we need HELP.

Chicago
Charlotte (2)
Portland
Milwaukee (2) - Redd DNP in the blowout game
Washington (2) - No Arenas
New York (3)
Houston (2) - T-Mac didn't play in one and was limited in the other
Minnesota
Cleveland
Memphis (2)
Miami (3)
Sacramento - Artest DNP
Seattle
Toronto
LAC
Dallas - Howard and Harris essentially DNP

if sixers keep winning they should eye kevin love or anthony randolph in draft! approx #16 slot

the sammy bashing is great....most of the names on your lists couldnt even guard him let alone be better then him ! there are maybe 5-6 TRUE CENTERS better then him period...i love how every sammy basher loves to include PFS in the list of players better then him...wallce is not a center...gasol is not a center,okur ? are you kidding me ? big (and slow) Z from cleaveland..maybe 6-7 years ago...a washed up shaq ..haywood ? nazi ! good thing you idiots dont run this team or one of the leagues wortst defenses would actually become the leagues overall worst with our only shot blocker run outta town by your retarded and undue critisim

Willie Green is a 20-25 mpg guy whose primary role is to score, not hand out assists. He comes off of baseline screens to shoot elbow jumper, drives the lane, or scores on transition opportunities. He's clearly not a 30-35 mpg guy and would be much better suited for a 3rd G role. However, he's the best that the Sixers have as a starting 2 guard right now. He shoots (a lot) because that is what he is asked to do while he's in the game.

I'm not even going to debate Jason Smith anymore. His #s and his overall play speak for themselves. Rookie or not, his game needs to improve A TON in many different areas for him to become a good player. Quite frankly, he's not getting the minutes because he doesn't deserve the minutes. It tells me a lot that when Reggie Evans was hurt against the Magic that Calvin Booth got twice as many minutes as Jason Smith. It tells me even more that Mo refuses to play him consistently even though he's gotten the mandate from E.S. th play the young guys more. Enough said.

Yeah, you are right - I am wrong - I admit it. Nobody can guard him. He is an elite center. He is a steal at $10M USD per year. Watching him dominate Mark Blount last night for 8 points made me realize that Billy King was right in re-signing him to that long term deal. When he threw the ball away in the final seconds of regulation as a result of a weak double team as he displayed his unbelievable court awareness, it made me wish we had him for 6 more years. The quality wins listed above make me realize that this team is heading in the right direction.

Whatthehell, you are right - my apologies. The criticism of Dalembert is completely undue.

I'm done talking about Sam with you Hugh...You come from the Larry Brown school of trade now think later...I wouldnt let u trade for A NBA LIVE team...The video game would fire you...Dalembert for Nazr Mahummad? You'd probably even throw in a first round pick...Damn that just made me cringe...Yeah i'll give you Okur and Bogut and Charles Shackleford and all those guys you love so you could look at your roster and say what the hell yourself....I would like to think you just like seeing yourself talk and coming up with cool graphs so it makes what you say sound official...But at the of the day you are ridculious with it...You been lost your blogger validation certificate...it has been revoked..and you continue to penalize your reputation by compounding it with more nonsense trying to validate what I pray you know is upsurd

hugh im sure the only time your back is to the basket there is a young man (with your permission of course) ready to drive straight to the hole...does he make bad passes..certainly...does he have any legit post moves..certainly not..and his basketball IQ rivals yours which is far from a compliment..fact remains your list is a joke and i noticed you didnt respond to a single name that i bashed you idiots for even mentioning in the same breath as sammmy...take your jealous assesments of his salary and play else where (prefrabably not around children because of megans law) the facts are what they are...hes overpaid and should be better....very true...that you cannot find 6 pure centers better then him in todays nba..even more truthful ...watch a game for a change before you comment...also willie green is terrible in almost every way possible to measure a basketball player and jason smith has hit the rookie wall going about 180 mph

you're worst than Isiah Thomas Hugh...Making you in charge of a franchise is like putting a bluetooth on a chipanzese and locking him in a GM war room...Look at your list again

Hugh,

Did you help orchestrate that Jeff Ruland for Brad Daughty trade lol ...You are a fan of that trade till this day arent you? Yeah that says enough...lol You harold katz and larry brown...all scored the same points on the GM wonderlick competency test...-2

Guys, guys, don't worry about Sammy. Once Leo Routins gets a hold of him he'll return to Philly as a finished product.

Many of you are too young to remember a smallish Leo Routins posting up his backcourt defenders repeatedly. He victimized many guards with his array of post moves.

Jim O'Brien, Moses Malone and Mo Cheeks haven't gotten thru to Sammy. But trust me, former 76rs first round pick Leo Routins is going to utilize Sammy in the pivot extensively because Routins will have no other option.

Mark my words: Sammy returns from the olympics angry and attacking the hole with a baby hook and an up-and-under move, and a maple leaf tattoo on his neck.

Right now we dont have much of a choice...If anything significant was going to be done via the draft... It should have happened last year when we had 3 first round picks...But King was a little too patient...thinking that his job was secure and he could wait...I really wanted Al Horford but that isnt happening...So now we are stuck on the edge of medicroity and average competence. Yeah we have some talent on our team and it will get better with growth..but we are too good too fast to get the kind of difference making powerforward we need in the draft without giving up an asset we already need or covet...Thats the catch 22...Ed is really going to have to work some magic this summer because even tho hustle can overcome our lack of talent on lesser and average teams..It wont overcome the elite once the playoffs turn our hustle and bustle helter skelter game into a halfcourt prison of exposure

Jimmy Lyman,
When Sammy returns a finished product, the Sixers will win the Olympics for Canada. Are you out of your mind? Moses was the epitome of a man with inside moves. He was 6'10" and guys 3-4 inches taller couldn't guard him (Jabbar, Parrish). And now.. Leo Routins will develop him? I really hope you're right, because if after this year he is no better, I say start over at the C.

By the way, as long as we're get a good PF, we better be getting a time machine to pick up a young Tim Duncan to play beside Sammy, because he is playing terribly over the past month. None of the names we've mentioned will be playing to the best of their abilities with Sammy because contrary to some opinions, he does NOT play good man defense. He is a "force" only to block 2 shots in a game. Blocked shots and steals, if I may use one of LB's thoughts- are not signs of good defense. Blocks are mainly because he's out of position and making up for lost space. You also pick up a decent amount of fouls when you live by blocked shots. You've got to front your man and cause offensive fouls. In January I thought he was getting better, but boy was I wrong.

Zeru, you and Hugh are gonna give Dean and Morty a run for the money. Lets just agree to disagree.I still watch the games rooting for us to win, but if we don!t, afterward we get closer to a top 10 pick. Go Sixers!!

Dean, I don!t know what is up with J.Smith.His game now seems similar to how Iavaroni used to play, set screens and make hustle plays.With his good form I can!t believe he won!t become a good shooter. I expected these problems at the beginning of the year because of the stepup in talent.Being from a smaller school he played against lesser athletes. But he has regressed from the beginning of the year. You would think practicing against Evans would toughen him up.

i agree that i thought that jason smith would come around because of the sweet form he displays on his jumper..then again i also thought the same about carney and besides the overall team defense his regression is the seasons biggest dissappointment atleast to me,he was twice the player last year he is this year and if people bash sammy Ds bball IQ for being terrible then rodney carneys is catastrophic..ive never seen a better dunker miss as many dunks or a supposed good defender play softer parimiter defense, his one hand autistic lookin shot from the lane is and always will be a terrible move both visually and in effectiveness..if you take away rodney carneys two best games his numbers would be lower then the pattison avenue sub station..not something id have expected from a guy who last year scored almost 7ppg started damn near 1/2 the season and played admirable (if only because of effort) defense..who passes less carney or willie green ? since im a 21 game ticket holder and watch 90% of the rest of the games in their entirety i think its safe to say that 1 ast. per game from each is more than anyone can hope for...ed stefanski is showing to be even more retarted then billy king (i think its gods joke to those of us who thought that wasent possible)with his stupid trade of kyle korver and non trades of willy green and andre miller...as far as possible return and value to the 76ers kyle was the dumbest one to trade (mo's inexcuseable gaffe at playing him at the 4 aside)we now dont even have a dead eye free throw shooter let alone anyone scary from 3..all he needs to do is let iggy leave for nothing then we can happily say we gave away our 2 most popular players for no reason..at this point the only positive thing i can say about eddie S is that hes not andy "my system is so great i can get by with shitty players even though my beloved system hasent brought a super bowl to our city and have no reason to believe it ever will besides stubborness and foolish pride" reid

lol - very funny whatthehell - I will agree to disagree with Zeru and whatthehell for the sake of the blog and to stop the madness. I don't want to waste any more of my and others' time reading the defense of Sammy D. I will spare the other bloggers the time and discomfort of reading this mess.

Dean,

Agree with Willie being all we got, that's fine, he doesn't get that many minutes anyway, Mo splits him and Lou 1st and 3rd quarters, 2nd and 4th quarters, that's about right. I probably have a higher opinion of him than you do, he looks like a much different player now than at the beginning of the season. That Minnesota game when he played drunk was the worst I'd seen him in a while - if you check his stats, this all bears out. After everyone dumped on him at the beginning, he become more consistent, like he read this blog everyday and wanted to prove us all wrong. If you want, after looking at Green's stats, look at LouWill's, LouWill has had a lot more clunkers than Green has, but I think people are more willing to accept it when LouWill does it...

But about Jason, point out the negative stuff he does in games. You say he needs to improve a TON in MANY different areas. Don't be so vague, which areas, and how much does he need to improve? What gold standard does he need to meet? For our backup big guy, he does fine. I hope you're not implying that he needs to be Carlos Boozer or Dwight Howard when he's out there. Our bench usually does fine when we go up against the other team's bench.

You talk like he's invisible when he's out there, but he's not, even though the numbers don't really show it. That Steve guy was right in calling you out for basing your negative evaluation of him based on his body language alone... unless you happen to have some advance training in reading people's body language... do you? Does that make Mark Madsen a better player than Jason, because he has better body language? You're overemphasizing the whole body language thing, IMHO.

Seriously, how does he have "no heart"? So the other guys on the team are able to "dig deep when the going ain't going so well", exactly how do they do that? So Jason's the lone guy who can't do that?

I can forgive Jason for "looking exasperated" more than I can Mr. Haitian Sensation for those 3 late game turnovers! Isn't that showing "no heart"?

As for Mo playing Calvin Booth over Jason in that Orlando game - we just see it differently: I thought Mo made a mistake there, he should've played Jason a lot more against Superman. Also, would we have the same number of wins if Calvin Booth had Jason's place in the rotation? I say no, Jason's played a role in this better-than-expected season.

Its all entertainment...what it really comes down to is we are all on the same side...just have extremely different point of views of how to obtain the goal...Its just shameless banter...We are Philadelphians our skin should be thick enough to disagree aggressively without anybody taking it to heart

DEAD________laughing @ Whatthehell...I couldnt agree more...especially about andy reid...alot of us in here are sharing the same brain...its scary

Sam aint been playing that long. Lou Will aint been playing that long Smith, Carney, Thad. Same thing. Maybe they all mature in a year or two while we are getting more cogs. It's NOT totally hopeless. We're just starving that's all.

I like Jason Smith ...All he needs to do is to spend some time in the weight room and some PT...And he has a chance to be special...One more year of college he would have been a lottery pick. He sort of models his game after Dirk's but he is athletic as hell...with a nice stroke...Once he learns to play within himself and branch out gradually like Thad has seem to have done...some time in the weight room and we have a stud...

I agree Jimmy

Why aren't Shav Randolph and Lou Admundson in the Development League? Mo is not going to play them (not that I would either) but why not let them get some minutes 'somewhere' rather than letting their skills erode? Just wondering.

Still laughing at Whatthehell...You are crazy man

I like Shav...He'd be perfect for us right now...I thought he was still hurt Jimmy

Kind of like when I was in Highschool drivers ED. We all sucked driving that VW stick shift and one day we all just clicked. Not sure it works the way in the NBA BUT just got to stop nit picking and let this play out into next year. There are pieces there. Need a stud at the 2 or 4 positions to take pressure off of guys who are trying to be leading men on an NBA team when they should be playing supplemental roles behind the leading men.

I expect whatthehell and Zeru to start calling for Amundson soon. I am waiting for the Karl Malone comparisons to start rolling in as he is probably the 8th best PF in the league.

I do agree with Zeru that we are all on the same side, but I often wonder how the views differ while watching the same thing. I guess it is like the McNabb debate.

For a 21 game ticket holder, whatthehell must spend a lot of time in Holt's cigar club.

I am watching the Bulls game and Sefalosha looks great - why did we trade him for Carney again? Oh, that's right, we needed another SF who can't shoot. I think BK drafted an international player and got nervous that he might have a decent BB IQ, so he traded him.

Lou A. had 4 pts. in 1 min. and 20 sec. of play in a game this past week. If Cheeks would just leave him in the whole game, he'd score 156. Can't believe he's been overlooked. Wake up, Mo!!

Agreed sfw.

LMAO - best post by far

Lou A would do great in the old 6' & under leagues where you are allowed one player over 6' on your roster.

Jason Smith deficiencies:

1) His shot is overrated; this was supposed to be his main strength. It's been inconsistent in game situations, at best.
2) His footwork on the defensive end is not good. He's regularly out of position, leading to either bad fouls or easy baskets for the opposition.
3) He consistently gets outworked by the man he's blocking out on the glass. This is huge when you're trying to gain minutes in a rotation.
4) One of the main roles for a guy off a bench is the positive energy he brings to the floor to change the pace of the game. Jason Smith doesn't bring any positive energy - his body language (and no I'm not a psychologist) is downright negative. Reggie Evans brings positive energy; Lou Williams brings positive energy. Shav his rookie year brought positive energy. Kevin Ollie brings an upbeat attitude.

These are the specifics that I am speaking to re: Jason Smith.

and the difference between Jason's deficiencies and Sammy's are... Oh yea, #4- the energy.. he does have a lot of that. But that's bad for a jittery fellow like Sammy- poor guy can't help throwing balls away. He needs to take something for less energy.

I'm not defending Sammy here. I'm just speaking to Jason Smith's shortcomings. I spoke to both Sam's positives and negatives earlier this afternoon above.

I see Jason Smith as a slow developer, but I think he can be a contributor. He seems to have decent touch, but he doesn't get enough minutes/looks.

Frank Beans has issued a statement as follows:

I made some comments regarding Willie Green's game the other day. While I neglected to comment favorably as to Willie's off Court charity and other positive contributions, nevertheless, I stand behind all my remarks re Willey's on Court Vision limitations, lack of Mercy, and reckless abondon of teammates v foes. I understand I am under review for a possible 1 say Blog or Court Suspension, now bwing reviewed by Narducci, LLC. I am prepared to consider appeal, if neccesary."

Sincerely.
Frank Beans; a student of the school of Sharing the Rock.

Frank Beans had no further comments, as he was scheduled to appear at a China Shop bull session, which he refused to elaborate upon

Correction:

Upon making his final comments, journalists confirm that Frank Beans cut an astronimcally measure Floating Fart that still at present time has permeated the Wachoviz Center Media Center rafters, sitting, as one reporter says "Sky high above"

Beans was not available for comment

Correction:

Upon making his final comments, journalists confirm that Frank Beans cut an astronomically measured, ad sic, Floating Fart that still at present time has permeated the Wachovia Center Media Center rafters, sitting, as one reporter says "Sky high above"

Beans was not available for comment

Aw, thats a buncha hot air up there, cmon now!

Haha.

Iguodala's gonna be a Laker. Lamar is ALL Philly's. Just watch. Snider has no clue, boys of Philly. Iguodala as a Laker will blow up in Staples- see he's our kinda guy. He likes the full house of fans, but still plays a complete, versatile game. Every nite. With BB IQ. And, dont ya know, he wanna bw in SoCal? F Phila. The US armpit.

The saying goes - If your first trade is a bust, your next few will be panic worse and wose ones. Hello, goodbye Ed.
Back to the RE biz, bro, ya aint a hoop Exec. First tho, send us Iguodala, the 24 y/o who plays there w stiffs. OK, Eddie?

Well, there's word that Kobe has put an option down on an adjoining estate on Balboa Island here in Newport Beach, is that gonna be Iguodala's pad? Kobe and Iguodala at practice each day? Yeah, that just could bring out the Kobe in an Iguodala. I see that.No better protege in NBA.

Course, this is all hypothetical for the tampering police, of course. Hahaha. We shall keep an eye on the situation. Sounds Philly-like; 2 guys who paid their dues in Boo-City; escape to the wonders of SoCal and Newport. Gotcha, Mitch, hypothetically, of course

I like this guy Frank Beans

Hey Mitch, Put Turiaf in the sign and trade with Odom for Iggy and E.S. says he!ll think about it.

The Sixers arent't going anywhere this year. Just watch the next 10 games.

They will loose to Orlando again.
They will loose to Golden State.
They will loose to Phoenix.
They will beat the Clippers.
They will beat Seattle.
They will beat Milwaukee.
They will loose to Boston.
They will loose to Detroit.
They will beat Chicago.
They will loose to San Antonio.

They aren't good enough.

Igoudala won the game for us against Miami with some excellent must-make plays at the end of the game. Fans should appreciate his improvement as a player- one that the opposing team tries to stop.

Dalembert is just slightly spastic. He isn't coordinated enough to learn a back to the basket move- he can't work his hands well enough. He drops half the passes he gets. Looses the ball if he puts it on the floor.

He should try to learn to dribble by putting on blinders and trying to dribble, if he does this all of this summer maybe by the end of it, he will actually be able to dribble 3 times in succession while blindfolded. He's never going to be more than a backup Center, but would be adequate if we had a monster player at Center or PF to pair with him.

Right on about the Sixers and Sammy, Rick.

Mitch:

We would also need either Farmar or Vujacic. So Odom, Vujacic/ Framar and Turiaf for Dre? We'll take it under advisement...

Morty,

If we traded Iggy (which I don't wanna do), I wouldn't wanna spread his value out amongst 3 lesser players. I'd reverse the direction of this trade: Iggy and someone else for Bynum; why make the Lakers' core stronger, while depleting ours?

For everyone who rips the Sixers for trading Korver... they were 13-16 when they traded him and are 12-16 since... bascially the same record, but with an extra $4M in cap space this summer and the ability to give Thad more minutes.
Datruth4life... Miller + cap room = nice trade for the Sixers in the summer. Be patient.

sixerzguy:

Didn't say I would do that trade, just consider it. Bynum sounds even better to me, though less likely from the Lakers' point of view.

Gordon:

Stop making sense.

The Lakers will NOT trade Bynum! It is ridiculous to even think they would.

C'mon if you are the Lakers watching this kid bloom into a STUD center why would you trade him? He has to be the NBAs biggest surprise this year.

Kobe, Gasol, Odom, and now Bynum. Yea, they should really break that up...uh huh...sure.

Stop Dreaming!

Jimmy,

We're on the same side here, right? If those idiots from Lala land want Iggy, they have to give us Bynum, they're not gonna fleece Iggy from us like they did Gasol with the pu-pu platter.

I think this is an interesting thought experiment. If we cannot come to terms with Dre, we will be involved in a sign and trade deal. So, what teams are likely to be interested in Dre, and what would be worth our while to trade, rather than retain him at a big number?

Morty,

I hope the Sixers have people to think about your experiment, there's so many factors to consider. But I guess here's one way (of many) to look at it: upside and downside.

At best, how good is Iggy gonna be? This is hopeful, and a reach, but on the far end of the curve my estimate would be Michael Jordan without the dynamic scoring. He has drive, and I can see him matching Jordan's averages in assists, rebounds, and steals.

His downside is that he's plateaued this year.

But if I were going to trade him, I'd take the stance that he has the potential to be Michael Jordan defensively, and ask for a young superstar frontcourt guy in return. His actual value, somewhere between his upside and downside, that's harder to gauge. But again, I wouldn't ask for that actual value.

Another quick thought - Iggy's of Nigerian descent, and so are two other players mentioned here: Diogu, Okafor. How about an almost all-Nigeria team of Okafor, Diogu, Iggy, Luol Deng, with a non-Nigerian? That's not such a bad lineup, right? And I hope ES stops over in Nigeria and takes a look.

Morty, I've been wondering about that myself. I cant see him backing down from his previous demand, and i cant see ed breaking the bank on him either. I still think this will be the most interesting story line of the summer that no one is talking about.

I think we find out a lot about both Dre and Ed by how this plays out. Does Andre accept a slightly lower payday if it means he gets better teammates? How will ed handle an impasse over contrat negotiations? How will ed handle it if someone does make that blow away offer, forces a sign and trade?

My hope is that dre genuinely wants to be a sixer and understands that you cant demand top dollar and expect your GM to find talent to stock your team with. Because he holds more of the future in his hands than i think a lot of people realize, and my impression is he is going to stick to his guns as far as an asking price.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Iggy, or any other player, traded this off season. Remember these guys are BK's boys, not Ed's. I'm not saying he doesn't like any of them, just that he isn't "emotionally attached" to them like BK semmed to be with most of his draft picks. Plus Iggy has already turned down a pretty good offer.(I wouldn't pay him much more then he turned down.)

Let's clear up the misnomer that Kyle Korver would have taken away most of Thad's minutes. Eventually, after the smoke had cleared, Korver would have taken away Rodney Carney's minutes. Rodney averages 14 mpg. He would have also taken some of Willie Green's minutes on Willie's off nights and probably a few of Thad's when Thad wasn't on. He might have even taken a few away from Reggie Evans.

Quite frankly, the trade was rushed and not well thought out. The excuse that Utah was the only team offering a #1 pick (with 10 million restrictions on it) along with an expiring contract is not valid. Why? Because we didn't NEED to trade Korver 2 months before the trading deadline. He could have been kept here long-term, used in other deals at the trade deadline, been used in the off-season in a package, etc. As time went on, Korver would have been much more valuable, especially at such a comparitive bargain vs. other sharpshooters in the league.

Dre seems to have an inflated opinion of himself. He is a hard worker, a winner and very talented. But he is not a number one perennial all-star type of guy, unless he makes several large steps from where he currently is. Has he made a big improvement in his game since the post-Iverson trade last year? I'm not sure. The larger salary he holds out for, as KM notes, the less flexibility we have to add teammates.

As a baseline, how would people feel if Dre was moved for a package similar to the Joe Johnson deal? Phoenix has the Hawks' # 1 this year and Diaw to show for their sign and trade with ATL. Do we need more that that? Is Dre valued higher than Johnson was at the time?

So I just doubled checked Dre's stats, and they are virtually the same as last year. Which certainly adds to the evidence that what you see is what you get for him going forward: 18-20 points, 6 Rebs and 4 assist + good defense. A solid number 2, or a phenomenal number 3 on a championship team.

His contract negotiations will indeed be a crucial development this summer.

Alex English is still the only person to really utilize Sammy's skills. I remember that Chris Ford year, he was showing flashes of being a good center. He's not doing that bad now, but we all get on him because he can do better.

There has to be someone else that would have the same impact as him. Maybe like Charles Barkley.

I think that Sammy needs some work on the blocks as well as most of you are saying. Keep in mind though (scary thought), Sammy is the best center we've had here since, gulp, Moses Malone! We've seen the likes of Micheal Cage, Manute Bol, Scott Williams, and Matt Geiger to name a few. Sammy is better than all of those guys! His earnings are debatable, but in the east, he is a top 5 center easily, don't be so quick to want to trade him. If we can get get a good 4 like one of you stated above his value will increase because he will not be looked upon to score. We are so starved for scoring big man we place all of the blame on a guy who was not meant to be a scorer in first place. He is doing what he is supposed to do, grab boards and block shots, bot of which he is doing better than at any point in his carreer. When we get that 4, we'll see...

Andre Iguodala is 24 years old and is one of the best players in the league. He didn't get selected to the all-star game because the Sixers are mired in mediocrity and were 2-3 games out of the playoffs when the selections were made.

Comparing Andre Iguodala who has CARRIED this team since Iverson left to Joe Johnson (04-05, last year with Suns), who was the 4th option on a team that included Steve Nash, Amare Stoudamire (best year ever 04-05), and Shawn Marion is comparing apples and oranges. Joe Johson's primary role was to stand outside and shoot jumpers off of Nash's and Marion's penetration kick outs. Andre Iguodala's role over the past 1.5 seasons was to make sure that his team didn't collapse around him.

No, I personally think that Andre Iguodala is in the Top 10 players in the league right now. He and Thad are the two untouchables on this team right now; they are the foundation upon which you build.

Finally! I have somebody to agree that the Kyle Korver trade was garbage. I dont care what nobody says Kyle's three point percentage rivals some of Iverson's overall shooting percentages in a season and not just Iverson's.. alot of guards period. Kyle can drain it drifting to the left...to the right...spot up..off screens...covered..uncovered...I've watched him...Nobody wants to give credit but he was a bad man... There is only player in the entire NBA that can shoot like that..ONE ...and at his price I know Utah is laughing there @$$#$ off...like dumb Sixers giggle giggle...And the part is we got back a bum...Not paul milsap..no young prospects...nothing...Just a first round pick so far at the of that part of the draft it minds well be a second rounder...I dont know about yall and how you feel about it but Ed got raped. Yeah if salary was such a concern he could packaged Green Ollie Booth or something...That whole I needed 10 mil for cap space is bogus..lets be honest...

And to say that Andre Iguodala will not get any better in terms of his production is absolutely ludicrous. He hasn't had a low post presence since Iverson left, he hasn't had a starting 2 G since Iverson left, and his C is offensively incompetent.

Trading him or not re-signing him is not an option.

I don't really think resigning Iggy will be a problem. He's shown this year that last season's scoring improvement wasn't linear; young guys get paid as much on potential as they do on performance, if not more so. I think everyone, including his agent, knows at this point he's not a #1 guy and doesn't deserve more than the $57M BK offered him.

Not to mention there are no other teams that can offer him more. I don't think he's going to want to go through another year without the certainty of a long-term contract. Think Ben Gordon regrets passing up on his deal?

I expect Iggy to resign for about the same money BK originally offered, maybe even a little less.

As for who we could trade him for, I think he still has a lot of value around the league. Trouble is, it would be hard for the Sixers to trade him for a guy like Diaw and 2 first rounders. Johnson on the Suns was a luxury; Iggy is the Sixers' marquee player. They'd need to get back real players.

Like I stated before 10 mil is not even a given we get anything of substance back for it...All the better RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS have already turned 10 mil down..So what the hell man? I'll put it in even further perspective...That 10 mil in isnt as valuable as people think...When the Bobcats traded their cap space to Golden State for Jason Richardson which was about 10 mil...They still had to part with the eighth pick in the draft...Its fool's gold...

Dre is a top 10 player in the league right now? I want whatever Dean is using to medicate his glaucoma! At least use the Eastern conference as a hedge, buddy.

Dre is a very nice player, excellent piece to have and one can easily see him being a part of a championship team, but lets not get carried away, shall we.

I think Dre can improve his efficiency with some better teammates, but if you compare his numbers from last year to the current season, they are remarkably the same in shooting %, 3 point %, assist, turnovers etc. go check it out at ESPN. To me, that suggests that we are beginning to see his ceiling.

No, I don't want to see him go, but what he was offered (11mil/per) is about the upper limit of what he is worth. Joe Johnson I just used as a conversation starter, because the Sixers might have to deal with the same issue.

Zeru:

You have not been reading very long if you are "finally" seeing someone who also thinks Korver was traded for "nothing."

What's done is done, lets see what the Sixers do this summer before going off the deep end.

Whatever Monty...there are alot of people in here that defended that trade...You being one them...So dont even respond if you are going teeter todder on your point of view just for the sake of arguing

Please name me 10 players in this league that you would trade Andre Iguodala for, taking all things into consideration including age, potential, and current performance.

Seriously, can we move on from the Kyle Korver nonsense?

You guys are arguing about the loss of a 10pt player who couldn't defend, rebound, or do anything but shoot 3s. He was a pure luxury on a team that couldn't afford one.

As for the hypothetical of what more you could have gotten for him, recall that Utah got him because it was the ONLY team willing to offer a first round pick. There was never going to be a SUBSTANTIVELY better offer at the deadline.

Jesus H., this is Kyle Korver not Jason Kidd. You weren't going to get multiple picks and young talent for the guy.

If one-dimensional 3pt shooters on mid-level contracts were so in demand, where were the huge trade deadline deals for Matt Carroll and Jason Kapono?

There weren't any.

Move on.

No particular order

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Andrew Bynum
3. Dwight Howard
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Chris Bosh
6. Lebron James
7. Dwyane Wade
8. Carlos Boozer
9. Deron Williams
10. Al Jefferson

I can keep going but I don't want to make Dean look like a bigger fool than he already is.

Alot of people like to get caught up in the STATUS of a player and want ignore in the result...Ohhhhhh its just Kyle Korver..He's just a shooter...Yet..His value in trade effects is only behind that of Pau Gasol's when they mention the best trades of the season...Oh wow! The Suns have Shaq now...So what? All he's manage to do is reshuffle their lineup..slow them down...and I didnt think it was possible but their defense is even worst..And they dont score as much.. So names isnt as important as value...And we didnt get proper value on what we GAVE away

Kevin Garnett - No. He'll be 32 at the end of the season, but is a 14 year vet already. His cap # is $23M. I wouldn't trade Iguodala for him. See: Boston in 3 years.

I'd actually put Chris Paul in that list. I'd also include Carmelo, Nowitzki, and Yao. Baron Davis is questionable. TMac is a no.

Fine, agreed. Iguodala is in the top 14 players for trade value in the league. You don't trade a player like that when you're rebuilding. You lock him up and make him one of your cornerstones.

Relax, Zeru:

Not changing my position at all, just letting you know that Dean has been screaming about the Korver trade for 2 months now, so don't try to steal his thunder, and act like you were the first to take on the evil Stefanski who traded the precious Korver for a can of beans.

Dean:

I'm glad you added some hedges to your original position. So here goes, keeping age as the primary comparsion, in no particular order:
1. Amare Stoudemire
2. Deron Williams
3. Carlos Boozer
4. Dwight Howard
5. Chris Bosch
6. Dewayne Wade
7. LeBron James
8. Carmelo Anthony
9. Caron Butler
10. Chris Paul
11. Mike Miller (kidding)

Notice, I excluded veterans like Steve Nash, Dirk, Kobe, Baron Davis, etc. Also youngsters like Andrew Bynum, Al Jefferson, Brandon Roy, Pau Gasol etc.

It's funny you mention Jason Kidd, Zara. ESPN ranked the Kyle Korver trade as more beneficial to Utah above the Jason Kidd trade as more beneficial to Dallas.

In fact, I believe only the Gasol and Shaq trades were ranked as bigger impacts to the Lakers and Suns.

Look Zara there was no reason to move Kyle Korver...If I hear one idiot call Kyle Korver a luxury I'm going to blackout..Do you even know what the luxury means? Stop using it until you do...A luxury is something you can do without...Cable Tv is a luxury...A Mercedes is a luxury...Arms Hands and Legs are not a luxury...Granted some people can survive and get around with out them its apart of a fully functional body...In order for a basketball team to be able to function are most required even over a true post game...Ask the Chicago Bulls...Name one team that has EVER won a championship without a shooter..Just ONE I'll wait ...In the meantime...Shut the hell and respect my right 2 vent Zara...

Has no one heard of the term "win-win"?

Please lets not rehash the Korver trade for the umpteenth time. If we want to argue with each other, wouldn't Dean's position that Dre is a top 10 player in the NBA do the trick?

Mark it down. Within 3 years, the three best, most valuablr players in the NBA will be LeBron James, Andre Iguodala, and Chris Paul.
No player will have greater impacts than these 3 game changers. Arguably, Iguodala is and will be the only player in the NBA that can single-handedly match up with LeBron physically and athletically and give him a run for his money.
You heard it hear first. The two of them one day will play TOGETHER on a team to be determined and win many rings together, as no other team will have any idea how to stop these two super fabulous youngsters who are all about theam and winning. THROW IT DOWN, young, fine men!

As my son Luke has said in the teepee, its a travesty how unappreciated young Andre is in Philadelphia. What are they thinking there? IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES!. I LOVE THIS GAME!

This blog baffles me. If Utah was 12 - 12 since the trade, nobody would be complaining of the trade. The trade can't be evaluated on our side by what the other team is doing with what we gave them. This trade proves 2 things:

1) Korver is a good player on a GOOD team and

2) Good teams start with the draft and FAs - Boozer, Williams, Kirilenko - and then add the role players.

We need the money to get the Josh Smith, Elton Brand type players to make up for the deficiencies of the $10M man that you all love. We will have to add the role players at some point, but it is hard to do this when you don't know what type of star player you will have.

Yes, Korver was nice to have. It is like having nice rims on a car that has a bad engine. Yeah, the rims are nice to have but at some point you have to fix the engine and you need the money that you have spent on the rims to do so. Sell the rims - fix the engine.

Bill:

I had a friend who, back in the late 90's, wanted to write you a letter telling you how awful you are as an announcer. I guess he never did, or it was water off a duck's back.

hugh:

Stop making sense.

adding, and then buy back those rims for 50 cents on the dollar. Do people really think ES will not add a shooter this off season? Perhaps even at the SG or PG position?

What are you talking about Morty? These are my original views...And if you go back far enough you'll see I posted it before I even saw Dean's reaction...If you noticed or not maybe thats why I said finally...Dont be so at a loss that you dont what to say and completely evade the issue...The truth is the truth. Whether I said it first or he did is preschool chat... I'm at the level of agreeing with the truth regardless or orgin of thought...Come join us scooter

Relax, Zeru. Recognize and take a joke. It was a nice day outside today, go for a walk, drink a glass of wine. And don't worry, Kyle Korver will live on in our hearts...

Zeru and Dean,

You're mixing arguments. I think Dallas made a mistake with the Kidd deal, and likewise Phoenix with Shaq, but we're not ranking trades here. We're talking about Korver's individual value.

The fact that Utah improved when they got him is hardly surprising. They were last in the league in 3s and smartly fixed the one glaring hole on their team. They have Boozer, Deron, Kirilenko... not to mention a HOF coach. And oh yeah, they made it to the Western Conference finals last year.

They should be good.

But they would be just as good with Matt Carroll or Jason Kapono. They needed a shooter, period. You can't twist their success into saying we didn't get enough back for a role playing 3pt specialist.

Korver fit their team. Good for them. But THE SIXERS weren't going to get a substantively better deal for him.

We need idiot patrol in here...They are trying to form voltron and the madness has to stop

I think Iggy will remain at the level he's playing at now. He'll never be a great shooter. He'll remain a decent defender, effort guy who will give you 18 pts, 5+ rebounds and a couple assists. Nothing wrong with that.
I hope when we get a major scorer/star here he will accept a supporting role. If not maybe a sign and trade is needed.

Just keep repeating "win-win, win-win, win-win" until it becomes a part of your soul that you don't even have to think about anymore.

sfw:

I do think that Dre would easily mesh with a true # 1 star/ scorer, albeit with better experience and understanding than he had during the Iverson years. He is a team-first guy. Notice how even now he is a bit of a reluctant shooter.

p.s. thanks for bringing up actual players on our team again.

Ah, when Stevie Wonder sings you can just see the colors emerge! And the great Jerry Garcia finally proclaimed, Bertha, Dont be comin here no more!

But as the great John Wooden preached, "Talent is a waste if it is not meshed together in the team concept, men. Our hardest work is practicing BEFORE the game, the game itself is just the execution of our chemistry we built the days before!!

Give me players who can do everything well, and sacrifice for the team, and that, my dear friends, is the rarest yet simplest synchronicity as to the essence of winning!! Work hard, be selfless! What a day! Something special is happening out there!!

Morty, Just not in love with Iggy's emotions this year.

Wow. Bill. I'm feeling those 70's coming back! Gotta go & get some ludes...........

Morty, just not a fan of Iggy's emotional antics this year.

Bill, gotta go make a transaction. Feel like I'm back in the 70's.

Zeru,

Your illuminating comparison of perimeter shooting to cable television notwithstanding, you don't build a team around one-dimensional role players.

The Bulls started with Jordan, Pippen, and Grant, then added cheap, one dimensional 3pt shooters like Craig Hodges and Steve Kerr to round out their bench.

You apparently would build a team around them. Good for you.

Unfortunately for the Sixers, you don't run an NBA franchise. If you did, you could have offered multiple first round picks and young talent for Korver.

Too bad ranting and name calling aren't qualifications to be an NBA executive.

Abd YES, the one gift shared by those few truly SPECIAL players in this great game?

Its a travesty that more fans realize so little. Just when the cynical fan thinks a player can grow no further, the truly special ones just get better and better. NEVER DOUBT the heart of a champion, so few players work relentlessly every summer and improve their skills, only the special ones rise up AND PROVE THE DOUBTERS WRONG!!

Its as plain and simple as the San Diego blue skies! THAT, is all the motivation the few truly special players have in common.

I CAN get satisfaction, Mick wailed out to the few who really could see the light shining, shunning the Dark Star shadows, in the disgraceful gallows, in the once hallowed, halls of Madison Square Garden.!!

Throw it down again, young fella!

Bill:

You're a nut, but you do have some decent musical taste. Here are two videos of Stevie Wonder on Sesame Street, and Jerry Garcia sitting in with Carlos Santana's band. Great stuff.

I rexpect your point of view to an extinct Zara...But the truth is dont trade somebody based on what the collect say their worth is...You trade people based on what YOU see their worth is...Regardless if you are using them the right way or not...Thats the difference between a Jerry West trade and everybody else...Thats how you pick up a Kobe Bryant with the 13th pick in the draft for Vlade Divac when were already a playoff team...Its called vision...As far as your arguement about any spot up shooter would do isnt very accurate. Utah has Okur who can shoot...the kid from georgia tech...forgot his name...Small forward tough kid played for us..He could shoot...The guy we got back from the deal is supposed to be a good shooter.and supposedly more athletic than Korver..So if Korver is so undervalued why would they give up what they already have to get what they already have and a first round pick? I'll tell you if you dont know...It's because Korver is on a different level..Why do you think they winning now? Think

sfw:

No argument from me about Dre's arguing about foul calls, and calling out his "young" teammates about learning the game while turning over the ball 3+ times a game.

What a pity that young fans quibble, nitpick as to statistics without understanding the GAME!

No great player in this League, even with best of teammates, plays this great game turnover-free!! It is the expression of creativity, the drive to get the ball to a teammate, ALL the great ones MORE than make up for their moments of mistakes, because the great ones rarely can be afforded a seat on that bench! They ALWAYS play, thru pain, thru fatigue.

The great ones are STUDENTS of this great game of ours. And the great Michael Jordan even in his early years was quoted, "No teammate of mine will let down, or I will get in his face! Ever!. THAT, my friends, is how leaders are born, that rare breed that demands hard work. Only the FOOL expects Perfection. Because on even the sunniest day, it is the art of learning from each new mistake that elevates the special ones ABOVE THE FRAY!!

Keep on truckin, can you smell that Morning Dew as the birds chirp, and the ocean waves roll in. SURFS UP FANS!

Bill:

You're one in a million. Don't go changing!

Zara you are missing the point so I'm going to spoon feed you...When have players on your team that are assets and are at best at what they do...role players or not...You do not give away until you can either get the best out of them yourself or get equal or better trade value...Korver was a piece...dont be so vile to say i wanted to build around him...its like building a house foundation this strong bricks...Your neighbor is building a house they are almost finished completing and you trade your brick for their piece of wood and you tell your in the empty lot "Its fine we can do without..We can put this wood here in place until we can afford another brick" And its been raining...for years...And you are already broke...But the fam across the lot are laughing happy and eating while your dumb @$$ has a piece of wood between bricks..."Something dont feel right dad!" I'm glad you dont anything either Zara...You and Hugh construct the first all Isiah thomas crashdummy allstar team... I'm pretty sure you'd be good

PAINT IT BLACK, young Mortimer!

Alas, how can this be? I am boarding the Last Train to Clarkesville, on this Grandest of Funk Railroad trains, but in my mind I will be on that midnite train to Georgia.

Ah, the contradiction of it all.

I LOVE THIS GAME!!
Next week, fans. Keep dancin in the Streets!

Gerald Wallace gets about 9 mill. per year, I think Iggy is a better player but I think our main concern is we don!t over pay for him. If he wants 13 to 15 million, I!m not sure E.S. won!t look elsewhere, because in my opinion he is a 3 and we already have Thad.

As he boarded the train, Bill was heard proclaiming, " Porter, Where is the Environmentally built Smoking Section? I must refresh myself with this stick of lettuce, have one toke over the line, pickin up my pieces, as I have a date there with Layla and Derek to play dominoes!!"

And at that moment, Bill DID fade away always in search of that next pyramid of American Beauty to offer yet a new vision of a wonderful day, creaking knees were heard as he murmured lyrics Like a Rolling Stone as if still in Alice's Restaurant.

"IT JUST DEOESNT GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS"! was heard 2 cars away.

Yeah, if Wallace is at 9 mil, then De should be 10 or 11 mil - what he was offered. All indications are that he wants 13-15 mil. However, this season has not demonstrated 13-15 mil talent. So unless one side blinks, we could be in for some issues with Dre this summer. Should be interesting. Which leads me back to my original question: if you are doing a sign and trade deal with Dre, what do we need in return?

Morty, Beasley is on at 9 tonight against one of the best teams in the country [Texas]

Thanks for the heads up.

Morty,

You dont want me. And I umm dont think I have ever seen snow. Do you even have fresh Sushi there? lol.

I'm just a role player. Please, let me stay here, tho my Dad has been driving me crazy as always

Morty, Zara, Hugh,,,It was all in fun and a little intellectual joisting I hope yall didnt take it to heart ...Just a manly sports debate. Ok be easy lol ...And nah Morty I was joking too i'm just sarcastic..I'll see yall later

Okafor, Ellis/Bellinini, Bargnani/A.Parker, M.Miller/Navarro/Lowry, Jefferson/Boone,Josh Smith,Crawford/Lee, Haslem/D.Cook, Arenas, Stuckey/A.Johnson/Afflalo, Noah/Hinrich, Redd/#1, Jack/Fernandez/Webster, Odom/Farmar/Turiaf, E.Brand, R.Foye/C.Brewer/C.Smith, J.Green/Collison,; Just off the top of my head Morty!!!!

If contemplating a Sign and Trade, then its with a team that Iguodala has chosen to sign an Offer Sheet with. HE MAKES that decision. Doubt he is headed to Snowbelt, other than Chi town where he is from.

Also, while not a Sixer issue this year, dont forget the whole BYC stuff. Base Year Comp.

Kinda think he, Deng, and Gordon may all go Unrestricted in Year 09.

Yo Philly,

Iguodala is a headed to Lakers. How? Kobe can restructure his contract to accomodate Iguodala"s extension.

Course just speculation. (Gulp, hiss, hah) . Cmon guys, when u play hoops in the Pac 10, you always end up back on the Left Coast..eventually.

Yeah, word is Kobe may be the one who just acquired 2 more estates on Balboa Island. Thats God Country, if ya dunno the turf. Course, we are trying to connect the dots here.

Supposedly, Snider wouldnt agree to the deal BK wanted to give Iguodala, which was ballpark $65MM guaranteed, with additional incentives all team performance oriented. Iguodala and Pelinka told BK yo deliver a profanity laced message to Snider. Dont blame King.

Snider managed to eff it up. Thats the word quietly whispered amongst the Agent community.

Now BK is out, and many say Snider is too; w Luukko in charge. IMO, another Snider fiasco.

Player list above:

Bron- yes
C Paul- yes
Amare- yes
DWilliams- No, best a push, but no
DWade- NO WAY. Dudes a MASH unit, and 9 wins? NO..W rILEY?
Melo- No. a prolific scorer, shooTer, but, ALL-IN? end of DAY? NO
A Jeff- dunno, pass, dont think so
DHoward- Yes
Kobe- yes, but not in 2 yrs
NOT 1 HAWK
Ginobilli- Yes, see Kobe
Duncan- Yes, See Kobe
Durant- NOOO
Roy- push
NO WARRIOR
Yao- pass, dunno
TMac- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
No NET
J KIDD= NO
KG- YES, SEE KOBE
PP- No
Dirk-No
No BOBCAT
Gasol- yes, I think
Oden- pass until see
Butler- No
Gilbert- NOOOOOO
Horford- pass, dunno
J Howard- Nooo
Bynum- close but No

Very short list of Yes

Revised-

Dirk- push
Bosh- reluctant yes

You wouldn't trade Dre for Bynum? Really? Or Derron Williams? Really? Straight up? In a heartbeat I would. We already have a SF in Thad, and SF's as a rule are easier to find than a PG or C.

Nooooooo

Iguodala, with any kind of better cast with him, will avg 8 trip doubs per year. Thad has not the vision, nor versatility, that Iguodala has. And, while I luv Thad, vision and playmaking from the SF is a rare quality Iguodala has, with LeBron, and who else from the frontcourt. DWill, maybe a push, but No. CP3 yes; a major impsact, difference maker, and a yop defender. Versatile. top PG. bUT Dre also has unique versatility, on a poor team, talent wise

You cannot, Morty, just label Iguodala as a SF. Thats incorrect. He, Bron are legit Swing players who can play either backcourt or frontcourt, let alone carry the boards for their teams.

Do as you wish, but thats why versatile players are so valuable; (and rare) they can in-game shift positions fr front to back; from playmaker to scorer. There arent 5 players in the League that can seamlessly do that.

Talking about Iguodala just pisses me off more that Snider had his head up his ass. Just get out of the way Ed. U may have cost this franchise its best prospect to lead in the decade.

Can give Bynum a Push. With his injury, would want conditional provisions, etc. cuz its worse than first thought. He actually might be, w Gasol there, be the guy traded, not Odom. Can argue both ways, payroll obviously plays a 2 year luxury tax role if keep Odom.

Hard to, absent the obvious athleticism, raw ralent, to evaluate Bynum with his having Kobe eliminating double teams down low.

If I was ES, scratch that, who knows how bad Snider ruined chances of Iguodala staying. Stefanski I have met, no big deal, and am aware of his persuasive, magnetic, persanality, etc. and his sharpness.

But, I warn everyone, there are plenty of Wharton grads out there who can somehow make as many misjudgments /errors as anyone else. ES may be alot of things, but assuredly, he is as human as the rest of us.

Hugh- Your Kyle Korver analogy with the rims, the bad engine, and the currency necessary to fix it was brilliant!

This is the most extreme workout I've ever hit