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Maggette's fine but he's the same as all of our players - we need a his teammate (if he's healthy) - Elton Brand.

We need a leader at 4 who will set the defensive tone like Reggie Evans does.

Marc,

Isn't Thad really a 3 and do you not htink he is the small forward of the future?

I don't think we can project Thad as the 4 of the future?

Right?

Why do we need yet another swing man? Now, I understand why you're a columnist, you have no idea how to be a GM!

I'll take Thad Young and his upside and and leave Maggette thanks very much!

Let's not waste time talking about scenarios that don't address the Sixers needs at PF and Center.

We have good guards and PF's. Good enough that over the last 10 games the team's scoring differential has put them into 10th place, good enough that over the past 5 games they're in 3rd place by that measure.

The Sixers have demonstated they are good enough to beat any bad team. They continue to fall flat against any team with an inside presence.

Address the problem of inside scoring and then it might be reasonable to talk about tweaking the line-up.

I just don't think he's our guy, and for three reasons. First, he will cost too much. Maybe not Rashard Lewis money but more than he's worth. Second, I think putting Iguodala at the 2 hurts him. He doesn't have consistent range on his shot, and seems much more naturally suited to play the three, a la Grant Hill or Scottie Pippen. The Sixers desperately need a starting-quality 2, but they should not overpay at that position. Three guys who have already been on the roster (Bruce Bowen, Matt Barnes, and Raja Bell) are examples of the type of guy they should be looking for at that spot: guys who can shoot from range and defend, and not necessarily create their own shot. (Incidentally, I think Carney still has a chance to be one of those guys - too soon to write him off, especially since he's cheap. Willie Green, on the other hand...). If the Sixers are going to overpay, it needs to be for a low post guy. Third, as you said, he doesn't play D. You can't bring in a high profile guy who doesn't play defense becuase it 1) undermines Iguodala's leadership, and 2) tells the rest of the team that defense is not a priority.

Yeah, interesting but it would be tough to work him in between dre and thaddeus...

Matt..i do think we need to get a good hard look at carney for the rest of the season. he seems to have good defensive instincts, which is a real need at this point. also seems to be the type of guy who does better when given regular time to get into a groove - that was what happened last year after he started getting time post AI and Webber. still very raw and makes lots of mistakes, but the potential to be a solid defender is definitely there. I dont want to go too crazy, but he's built a lot like Prince in detriot...

I thought that by releasing Giracek and the expiration of other contracts for players no longer here the Sixers would have cap space enough to sign Iguodala and Williams and pursue a midlevel free agent. Now I hear that they can get almost 4.5 million additional by releasing Ollie (3.4 Mil) and Randolph (1 mil). Is this true?

Rick:

Now I know why you are just some guy commenting on a blog. Try having some respect towards the man putting this fine blog together, no?
/morty

That said, I don't like the idea of Maggette either. We seem to have some decent defensive players in our core, and adding to that should be a strong consideration when adding new players.
/Morty

Let's sigh this guy. We'll be the Clippers of the NBA East.

Let's sign this guy. We'll be the Clippers of the NBA East.

Magette a good name Marc...he is certainly an established NBA scorer. As you said, I do worry that he is more a scorer than shooter.

Scary that Sixers do not have one guy (Iguodala closest) that we can point to as a legitimate star.

Even bad teams have at least 1...Miami has Marion and Wade, Minn has Jefferson (no GM would trade Iguodala for Jefferson), Clippers have Brand, ATL has Joe Johnson with Josh Smith and Horford also probably valued more than Iguodala (again the GM trade test).

We have a long way to go and I would use anything and everything to get 1 star and build up from there.

Hate to waste this moment in the Sixers history on marginal stars.

reading ESPN this morning about Dallas and NJ wanting to use the Sixers as a conduit for a Kidd to Dallas trade. Went to the trade machine and tried my own.

Dallas: Kidd
NJ: Miller and Stackhouse
Phila: Jason Terry and Brandon Bass

What do people think about this?
/morty

Iguodala and leadership - I don't see it. Leaders are fearless and show the way a la Bobby Clarke, Pete Rose, Moses Malone, Lenny Dykstra and Reggie White. They're noticed in a flash for the difference they make. Iguodala is a good player waiting for a centerpiece.

Maggette is a very good player, but we need to make a bigger impact.

Maggette does provide another scorer, but would it mean we are going with Young as our 4?

A 3 way deal I cooked up with NY and Indy:

we get- David Lee, Randolph Morris, Fred Jones, Ike Diogu and picks

NY- Jermaine O'Neal

Indy- Miller and Zach Randolph

Isiah gets another trophy, Indy gets a PG and post for a playoff run and we get a young 4, young depth up front and cap space.

Being a transplated Sixers fan in Los Angeles, I get to watch Maggette all the time. Not worth the money, develop the young Sixer talent, and add a power forward or center to the mix. Hopefully the new GM will be patient and make the right move at the right time.

Morty,

Dallas would want a big guy to replace Bass. I read somewhere that they got him to help with the frontcourt playoff battles, and based on what they've seen this season, they're very happy with him. I understand why you'd throw him in, but you underestimate his value to Dallas, especially what they're getting considering how much he's getting paid.

And you know what? That's a huge problem with the Sixers, and why I hate Mo's reliance on going with his damn gut and playing around with lineups in games. No one has any defined roles. There isn't a Brandon Bass on this team, someone who'd be more valuable to the Sixers than on another team. And that's why I don't really like to speculate on who the Sixers should get - I think that requires more thought than people give it. A player might be good on another team, but would he be good on this particular team? (see: Kyle Korver)

For example, I would fire Mo just for how he's handled the guard rotation. I would never play LouWill and Andre Miller at the same time, that's a horrible idea. Why is it that usually Miller brings up the ball, but sometimes Iggy does? If Iggy's bringing up the ball, then he's essentially the point guard, which means this messes up the role of the other guys. Let's say he's with Miller and LouWill. If Iggy's the point, one of those two becomes the SF, one is the SG. One of those two has to help with the rebounding (the average SF gets 7.5 rebounds/game), the other one becomes a scorer. It's not working. Sometimes it does, and once I wrote that I thought it was working, but usually it doesn't. Mo has no idea what the heck small-ball is about. Don't get me started on how he was using Korver, arghhhh... I hope that since he has Thad playing PF, he has him working on rebounding and interior defense.

About Maggette, like I said, my opinions aren't so strong. But Marc's blog post was great, specifying exactly how the Sixers would use him. He's a scorer, he'll spread the floor with his outside shooting, but he'll need help on defense. If anyone wants to argue against not getting Maggette, then argue why THAT would be better for the Sixers, because Marc's argument for Maggette was pretty sound.

BTW, your website is very eclectic. To each his own. But disappointed by the lack of Sixers stuff, I'll read almost anything Sixers-related.

I must agree that maggette is an attractive name, and a good player as well. But I have my reservations about signing a guy like maggette (a legit 3, possibly 2 on a championship-caliber team) to a huge #1 salary. I think we all know that the sixers are two seasons away from even being in that conversation. So, I dont see the need to sign a guy just to sign a guy. Especially one that, as mentioned, doesnt fill the immediate for a low-post, defensive-minded scorer. It might be tough to find that guy but we have time..I want to win as much as anyone but we need to be patient. I feel the same way about miller..If we dont get an unbeleivable offer for him this year then we should keep him. He is a great player to learn from (something we need) and his contract is more on the expiring side next year. Patience is the key. As mentioned before, we need to make moves when they make sense, not just to make a splash. This is a rebuilding process. I can wait for them to "do it the right way." - Larry Brown in 08-09?

Morty, the was the writer's idea, but I'd really consider your trade if we get NJ's pick this year.

Rob, I like you scenerio, also. We'd have to cut players to make the trade work because roster max.

Marc, I really appreciate your blog and I read it every day. However, I can not agree with you on this one. Maggette is not the answer. Subpar offense, awful defense (sounds like the team we have now). I would rather go the entire off-season not signing anyone and waiting until '09 to use that money (Josh Smith anyone?) than going for Corey Magette. No one wanted him last year when he was trying to dodge town so why would we over pay him to be another swingman on an already stuffed swingman team. It just doesn't make sense to me, or anyone else responding to your blog.

clearly meant 2010

Doesn't Maggette have a reputation as a coach killer? Does his own thing?

Wonderful talent, but the Sixers have other needs.

No Maggette, thanks.

Find me a PF and PG and we'll talk.

why not throw away that cap experience while we're at it? Is Derrick Coleman still available?

Gee Marc, You extend the courtesy of a nice blog and then stick your neck out for a nice free agent option only to have the belligerent masses shoot it down. And then they question your knowlege of the game! Tough these days...

Hey people, it could be a bear market or a seller's market in free agent land. This blessed cap room needs to be used somewhere. I think you put a 21 ppg option and someone who can stretch opposing defenses out there and that can only help. Yeah I'd prefer Josh Smith but he's gonna be a tough purchase.

Maggette is too old!

If I'm signing an older shooting guard who wants a lot of money and can't play D, I'm going to sign Allen Iverson.

Otherwise, let's spend our money elsewhere.

Maggette would be a fine 6th man at the 2 and 3, for about $5 to $6 mil per. Instant offense. But he would never go for that...would he? And would having him around stunt Thad's growth?

If Thad works on his jumper this offseason, I love him at the 3. The only time he should be at the 4 is when they occassionally run small ball. Do not want to see Thad having to guard 4's like Garnett, Jamison, Okafor, Jermaine O'Neal, Sean Williams, etc. on a regular basis.

A power forward who can command a double team and a pure shooter will probably take all of the cap room and assets we have.

Yeah I agree with what most have you have said. Maggete would just continue or Swingman Overload and most likely stunt Thad's growth. If we get Iguodala to move to the 2 its Thad that I want moving to the 3 because I can't see him being the 4 of the future.

Maggette would be overkill. Narducci is doing his job by getting us to talk about it, which is great. I love talking about this stuff.

3-way idea

Philly gets Pietrus, Brandon Wright
Clev gets Miller
GS gets Gooden, a pick from Clev and the Utah pick

We get an expiring in Pietrus we can use in a sign and trade for a restricted like Deng or Calderon and Wright gives us an athletic 4.

Clev gets their coveted 1.

GS gets an athletic 4/5 to run and rebound in their system.

I'm not crazy about the GS deal, but I'd probably do it if it was the only deal to get Miller out of here by the deadline. Not a big Brandon Wright guy, although he is young. Too early to judge him.

Morty, there's no way I'd do the Dallas / NJ trade. Jason Terry is 30 yrs old, gets paid $9M / year, and is signed for 4 more seasons. The whole point of the deal is to clear cap space to get an impact player.

Jason Terry is definitely not that and wastes a ridiculous amount of cap space.

In game tonight, I wanted to compare Thornton and Young. Remember alot of mock drafts had Sixers taking Thornton. Then, there was story he was only 6'6", and at 24 he had little potential from what he displayed in college. Well, if Young is 6'8", then Thornton is too based on what I saw tonight. Thornton has been scoring more recently and roundly 10 pts and 3.5 rebounds. He appears to be better outside shooter than Young. Still, I like what I see in Young and imagine he has much more upside. The other guy the Sixers coveted was Jeff Green. While Green has decent numbers this year, I think Sixers picked a good one in Thad Young.

Rob,
I would do that deal if the picks came Philly's way. GS would be giving up 2 back ups and getting back a starting PF. They shouldn't need the picks to do that deal. especially since 2 of the teams in their division just got bigger. I think a couple other players would have to be included for the salaries to work too.

To all those on this blog who were ripping Carney to shreds all year...time to eat crow.

Once he got some of the reguar playing time we were calling for here on Deep Sixer, he started to come around. Dude is only a second year player, and he was getting crucified here.

The Sixers outscored the Clips by 15 pts. when Carney was in the game! Sweet Lou was +17, Iggy +17, and for once Reggie was well in the plus at +16 (Reggie was usually in the negative as a starter).

Anyway, back to Carney, if he can keep developing, the Sixers will have enough depth at 2 and 3 and this offseason will be able to just focus on a power forward who can score inside and a pure shooter. Remember, Carney is the 6ers best athlete by far, and is the only guy they have who plays a little perimeter defense (whatever happened to the tough defender Iggy was his back in his rookie year?).

Well, let me take that back about the offseason needs, maybe in addition to a 4 and a shooter, they could still use a 1-2 who can defend opposing guards, like Charlie Bell, Jarret Jack, Azibuike from the Warriors.

But a productive Carney shores up the 2 and 3 bench spots. Carney could really hit the 3 in college; we sure could use that now. But he's hustling and playing within himself.

Best of luck to Herb Hill on his rehabbing!