PHOENIX -- In a season where the 76ers have had more big victories than most had the right to expect, Saturday’s 119-114 win over Phoenix at US Airways Arena, may go down as the best of the season.
First, of all it came against a good Suns team that is still admittedly trying to figure out how to figure Shaquille O’Neal into the equation.
The Suns are 39-20 in the rugged Western Conference and what made the win more impressive is that the Sixers had been totally outclassed less than 24 hours earlier in a 119-97 loss at Golden State.
In that game, the Sixers couldn’t keep up with the fast-paced Warriors.
And even with Shaq, the Suns still like to play a transition game and the Sixers outscored them 30-16 in fast break points.
More importantly, the Sixers came close to squandering a 12 point lead with under 2:30 left.
Phoenix got to within 116-114 with 9.3 seconds left, but then Willie Green hit two huge free throws and the Sixers could finally exhale.
Here are some other things the Sixers had to overcome:
Samuel Dalembert had five points and shot 1 for 9 from the field. The Sixers were 14 for 23 from the foul line (with Reggie Evans missing five of six) while the Suns hit all 19 free throws.
And while Evans was short on his free throws, he had one of his best games of the season, 13 points, 13 rebounds and extremely physical play, which bothered Phoenix.
Andre Iguodala had 32 points and just as when he scored 33 points in a 103-96 win at Charlotte on Jan. 26, Iguodala took over the game for long stretches.
Andre Miller had 25 poitns and 12 assists and exploited a weakness in Phoenix – the defense of Steve Nash.
While Nash had 21 points and 11 assists, he couldn’t handle Miller. That is the way to go after Phoenix, make Nash attempt to defend.
Lou Williams had a number of big shots, scoring 11 of his 13 points in the fourth quarter.
This was a total team effort. The Sixers have now won 9 of 12, but the most important thing is that the bad aftertaste from Friday’s loss has disappeared.
With the race for the playoffs so tight, the Sixers will eventually qualify on the basis of beating teams such as Atlanta and Chicago that they are competing with.
But victories over Orlando last week and now Phoenix, are wins that weren’t expected, that the Sixers can put in their pocket.
Now the key is to remain focused for Monday’s game in Los Angeles against the Clippers.
Most people (including this reporter) thought winning one of three on this mini west coast swing would be realistic. Now it’s time for the Sixers to get greedy.
They have to show they have a killer instinct. Just as they had to forget Friday’s disappointing performance, the Sixers also have to put this one behind them also. It won’t be easy, especially since the Sixers probably haven’t had a bigger win during this up and down season that hasn’t lacked excitement or a few major surprises.
Comments (82)
Disagree.
Was, always a toss up, as have stated multiple times. The Suns have not been, as the Media has portrayed them, in a long while. And the Sixers are young, better than media ho-hum doubts, as well.
Clipper game would be nice to win, but, again, if they compete hard, thats fine.
The media must come clean soon with their near unanimous miscalculation as to this team's success to date, relative to ALL dire projections, and get it over with. NOW.
Couse, that requires what are called "balls". Who has em.? Cuz, its either that or more excuses. And its time to, as we say in this era, DELETE and TRASH that pile of disinformation. No?
Posted by Rocky | March 2, 2008 1:17 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 01:17
I predicted this as a much more possible outcome; the Warrior game was a given loss as the first game.
Yeah Pillar, the Suns are like a team in flux. Yet, Sixers deserve credit. Iguodala kinda jabbed Kerr, who was hired soon after draft, what a mistake they made in 04, or rather, such folly by dealing that No 7 pick until SURE AI was going 3-5. It will always haunt Sarver forever, tho seems they have a plan to still have Andre playing in Arizona as a Sun, per Amare's added pleadings, soon. Dunno how, but, Kerr as alumni is due for a surprise 4 PHX fans that they embrace.
And, all seem to LOVE living there. Man. Iggy put a whoppin on those dudes.
Posted by Jose | March 2, 2008 1:27 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 01:27
I really don't know what to think! Last night, I wanted to trade the whole damn team and just start over. Tonight, I think if they had a REAL center and power forward they could compete with anybody. Good luck ED!
One thing I do know, SAMMY HAS TO GO! He looks pathetic out there sometimes. I would've dealt him at the deadline for the best deal on the table. His stock was never higher. Now he's starting to look like the same old Sammy. He looks either stoned or he has ADD. I really don't have a clue at what he's looking at or what he thinking most of the time.
Posted by Joe Doc | March 2, 2008 1:34 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 01:34
Look,
If Phila. fans dont want Iguodala, forget the price, then he oughta get outtathere. It is that black and white.
That dude will be twice as scary playing with a real front court C and PF tandem. He plays in the worst frontcourt inm the NBA, and deserves better, after 4 years of Philly crap.
Man, he gotta know that. The whole LEAGUE knows that!! C'mon.
Posted by Scouts, Inc. | March 2, 2008 1:37 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 01:37
Scout- What Philly fan doesn't want Iguodala? I said Sammy has to go. As in Sammy Dalembert. And I agree that Iggy would be better if he had a REAL center and power forward.
Has anybody heard if Ed plans on picking up anybody to fill Gordon G's roster spot? Maybe a young PF from the D-league?
One other thing, doesn't cutting GG so he can sign with another team and be post-season eligible signal that this GM doesn't really think WE can make the playoffs?
Posted by Joe Doc | March 2, 2008 1:48 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 01:48
Iguodala and his agent could care less about the Sixer fan. Cmon. He has known he can call his shots.
The Media thinks the RFA status actually gives a franchise leverage?
No, the ability to Unrestricted a year later strips that away fully. Dont think the media quite grasps that component of the Rookie Contract. Shocker, amigo.
Posted by Jose | March 2, 2008 1:50 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 01:50
Well, the Media has trashed him since Summer, when he rejected that $57MM extension. And, NO QUESTION, he was smart.
In 2 years, 20 teams will be on his Agents aerss at $$ levels that dont matter; he is destined to pick a team that is both a great fit, and Contender, in the City he wants, w a wealthy, smart Owner.
Who in God's name would choose Philly? Unless, you were involved in decisions? Iguodala does NOT need Phila.
Snider effed up. Gone. pfft. The one guy who HAD to be signed LAST year.
Posted by Pillar | March 2, 2008 1:57 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 01:57
I despise Snider. Good Nite. And I saw this coming tonite. Dang it.
Posted by Jose | March 2, 2008 2:00 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 02:00
In one fell swoop, Iguodala just made the 2012 Olymic squad, and reinforced to Mr Kerr how much he needs Iguodala and Amare for the Suns future, at all costs.
Ole Andre did well for himself, tonite. And the Sixers of course too. Fascinating game, and post game remarks.
Posted by Tito | March 2, 2008 2:07 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 02:07
Right dude. Kobe aint lettin him go to PHX. We all know he is destined to be a Laker, not a PHX SUN. lol
Half-kiddin here at the desk.
Hey, good Blog here, esp for PHILLY! just kiddin fellas. God Bless.
Posted by Orange County Register | March 2, 2008 2:12 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 02:12
A surprise win for this team. It really shows how much Shaq has fallen off when Reggie Evans can have more of an impact on the game than he can. Evans did his thing on offense, the boards and on defense, banging against Shaq and Amare.
Dalembert just looks like he is lost out there. I'm not giving the guy any more free passes. Someone in the front office has to get Dalembert to work on his offensive game and develop some hands. He's embarrasing out there on offense.
That 3 by Lou Will at the end was cold-blooded. That is what they need from him. He just has to work on his defense because I've never seen him fight over a screen on the pick and roll yet.
Thaddeus continues to show that he's going to be a handful a few years down the road. His defense, especially in jumping the pick and roll, was excellent tonight. By the way, Iggy made some money tonight. He was the best player on the court. That is saying something when you are playing the Suns, with Nash and Stoudemire.
The Suns are 3 games in the lost column from missing the playoffs. They are on a slippery slope because they have a difficult schedule remaining against a lot of good west teams and the Suns can't play defense.
If D'Antoni was smart, he'd give the two rookies, Strawberry and Tucker, some run because the Suns are no longer the most athletic team on the floor each night.
Marc, how about C/PF Ronny Turiaf and SG-SF C.J. Miles with that $10M in cap room this offseason?
Posted by datruth4life | March 2, 2008 2:12 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 02:12
I also called this game. While the Suns like to run they don't have the young legs they used to. Look at their starting five only two of their players thrive in the open court (Nash and Stoudemire) the rest aren't really that style of players. The Sixers youth and athleticism proved to be a problem for them the entire game.
What I was impressed with was how the Sixers closed out on the perimeter shooters.
I know everyone's talking about Iguodala (as they should be), but I think my pick for player of the game was Reggie Evans. I really hope this guy plays the rest of his career in Philly. I was a fan of the trade for him once it happened, but I love it even more now. He finds a way to get in the head of every big man he plays. And tonight he did a great job flustering both Shaquille O'Neal and Amare Stoudemire.
Now back to Iguodala if anyone is still detracting from him they need to stop. This guy is getting better every game. His hard work is really showing up and his confidence is growing. Where even earlier this season he showed that he could still dip below double figures for a game, now he's proven to be able to get his regardless. I can't wait to watch this guy continue to develop.
Posted by Coatesvillain | March 2, 2008 2:14 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 02:14
The negativity of the Sixers fans on this blog continues to amaze me. After their biggest win of the year, not one single positive comment about the game in the first eight posts? Let me point out a few then.
- Great performance by Iguodala, bouncing back after missing his last 10 shots of the Orlando game and a 5-15 in the Golden State game. He's a big part of the reason the Sixers are 11-1 on the back end of their last 12 back-to-back games.
- Until the last minute or so, Andre Miller dominate Steve Nash the same way he's been dominating everyone else recently, outscoring Nash 24-12 while putting up a 12-2 assist-to-turnover ratio.
- Strong games off the bench by both Thad and Lou, their first good games in a while. Lou hit a clutch 3 with a minute to go (hopefully it will be the start of a good run for him).
- Willie Green continued his recent solid play. He also hit three clutch free throws to help seal the game (the new Korver? LOL).
- Reggie Evans did a great job on Shaq (whose multiple turnovers at the start of the 4th really helped out the cause at the time) and a credible job on Stoudemire. Evans usually has trouble with quicker power forwards, but the Suns were not using Stoudemire "in space" (Shaq was helpful there again, clogging up the lane).
Up next, three very winnable games: Clippers, Sonics, Bucks. If they win all three, that would put them at 12-3 in their last 15 and in a good frame of mind for the Boston game on 3/10. After the game tonight, I heard one commentator say that it's been rare in recent years that a team comes into Phoenix and leaves with a win because of superior athleticism, but that's exactly what happened. People around the league are starting to notice the Sixers' good play (Hollinger had two very positive items about them on ESPN.com this week). It's just too bad their own fans are too busy complaining about what they aren't to notice the decent team they actually are.
Posted by Statman | March 2, 2008 2:16 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 02:16
I have one question for Jose and Pillar:
How is Phoenix or any other team, Iggy would want to go to, going to get $15 million below the cap in order to sign him?
They can't just give him what ever they want if they are already over the cap. They can only offer what they are below the cap. Unless its a sign and trade. And who says Philly would want what they were offering in return.
Posted by Joe Doc | March 2, 2008 2:23 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 02:23
JoeDoc,
He just elects to go Unrestricted by signing nothing, other than a preliminary Sixer 1 year base offer to retain his Bird Rights. Course if a team doesnt offer that, the player becomes an Unrestricted FA the following week.
This way, Sixers offer him the base year, approx, $5MM. to reain his services for another 1 year. Course likely trade him to the team he wants to extend with, etc.
Posted by Anonymous | March 2, 2008 2:29 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 02:29
I understand how he becomes an unrestricted free agent! But teams can't go over the cap to sign other teams free agents. So a team would have to be $15 million below the cap next year or work out a sign and trade. Philly isn't going to take back Shaq in the trade. The team is going to have to offer something good or Philly can just say no to the deal. I'm just pointing out that its a little more complicated then him just not signing here and just going anywhere else.
Posted by Joe Doc | March 2, 2008 2:37 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 02:37
Or Iggy would have to be willing to play for the mid-level exception and give up about $8 million that year.
Posted by Joe Doc | March 2, 2008 2:39 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 02:39
If Iguodala,Deng, etc choose not to seek offer sheets, then they play 1 more year at the prescribed per CBA 5th year slotted salary, then become Unrestricted Free Agents.
At which time, they are free to sign with any team then able to offer them what they can in 2009. the year LeBron and others can opt out.
So, Iguodala camp, due to Sniders eff up, can then opt to play in tandem say with a LeBron, who needs little salary any more, w Nike $$, or a slew of others, on a team where they choose.
You think Iguodala cares about who can pay him the most? No, he wants a fair deal, with a top flight teammate or two.
The point is, he will have options to choose from. And Options are what a young stud player wants foremost. Thats how he plays it out.
No team will agree to take him unless they "KNOW" that he wants to stay with them, as he will become an UnRestricted Free Agent. That is where, in the case of the few who were not extended as Iguodala, those Owners effed up.
Its pretty simple to follow. Do you understand?
Posted by Anonymous | March 2, 2008 2:53 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 02:53
Meaning, you cannot trade him unless its to a team that he is willing to sign a new deal with.
See Joe Johnson saga, tho that was consummated after the 4th year.
He basically told the Suns Owner that he did not wish to return, thus, a Sign and Trade was forced by the Player.
In example above, I think there's a very good chance Iguodala simply plays out a 5th year to earn Unrestricted Status. No team will offer much without assurances, in any attempted Sixer trade, in return, knowing he can walk Unrestricted after 1 year.
Player controls entire situation, if he wants.
And, who could blame Iguodala, endurimg the Philly scene? When there are more appealing destinations everywhere? Unless Philly suddenly embraces its own team? That appears as fantasy.
Posted by Anonymous | March 2, 2008 3:07 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 03:07
Please read my COMPLETE post before telling me I don't understand!
"If Iguodala,Deng, etc choose not to seek offer sheets, then they play 1 more year at the prescribed per CBA 5th year slotted salary, then become Unrestricted Free Agents"-I understand this part
"At which time, they are free to sign with any team then able to offer them what they can in 2009. the year LeBron and others can opt out"- This is where we are missing each other. A team, other than Philly, can only offer what space they have below the cap. So now his choices are limited to teams below the cap. How many teams will be below the cap this year? And how many of them are actually in contention? So he would take a pay cut to go play for another bad team. I don't think so. And as far as a sign and trade goes, Philly doesn't HAVE to do the trade. Its not like Philly is going to take back a bunch of bad contracts to make it work. The team that wants him and he wants to go to has to make at least a decent offer. I'm not saying this won't happen. I'm just saying its not 100% in Iggy's control if he wants to make top dollar.
And I thought Lebron and Wade could opt out in 2010. Thats the year Jay Z takes the NETS and Lebron to Brooklyn I think
Posted by Joe Doc | March 2, 2008 3:24 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 03:24
I've blasted Willie Green on this blog all year, but I admit he's finally playing like a NBA starting 2 guard. Nice to see him be agressive offensively for the first time in a few years. He doesn't have to be one of the top 10 starting shooting guards in the league,
but he at least needs to be between 12-22. He's been in the bottom ten of the league's starting shooting guards before he's put this stretch together. We still need a shooter that will knock down the open 3.
Here's why the 6ers need a post player: The only player above 6'8" who played tonight was Sammy. You can play small ball against a few teams, like the Suns, but this team needs a 4 who can score on the block, and commit hard fouls. Sammy's alright, but he's not an enforcer. Reggie is becoming one, but isn't a scoring threat. We still need a 4. A healthy Jason Smith might have helped a little bit tonight.
That Golden State game was an example of miserable perimeter defense, just awful.
The 6ers have to get a guard who can defend and preferably play alongside Sweet Lou: Charlie Bell, Jarret Jack, Kelenna Azubuike,
Yakhouba Diawara.
Sweet Lou scord 13 tonight, but the Suns outscored the 6ers by 9 pts when Sweet Lou was in. Miller is playing great offensively, and Green is stepping it up, but Lou, Miller and Green are simply below average defenders. We really need at least one guard who can defend on the perimeter, help to stop all the penetration by the opposing point, and just lock down someone down once in a while.
Posted by Trackboy1 | March 2, 2008 3:48 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 03:48
I'm really glad to see Willie Green playing better - for both his and the team's sake. I trashed him in the past but will admit he has been a contributor to the recent turnaround. Regardless he is not the team's future shooting guard. He is becoming an increasingly valuable chip for ES to work with this summer. Unfortunately Sammy appears to be going in the opposite direction.
Posted by TormentedinBeantown | March 2, 2008 7:21 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 07:21
Iggy was jacked up for his college state last night. Just as he rides emotion and swells of confidence to lookin' pretty, he sometimes wallows and slogs in pouty underperformances, screams "not elite." The season is long, so crow about Iggy today while you can. Tomorrow is another day. Philly fans well know.
Posted by Eyes Open | March 2, 2008 8:59 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 08:59
Eyes OPen, That was partially the point I wanted to make. Iggy was playing in his college state and super motivated. Also, Grant Hill looked a bit old last night along with Shaq. However, he is what he is. A 10-12 million dollar player in the NBA. Of course, he wants more than that.
Great game for the Sixers last night! Without Iggy's out of this world performance we don't win.
Posted by sfw | March 2, 2008 9:12 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 09:12
In the last blog post, a poster named Zeru asked a good question: how about Mo for coach of the year? I was thinking about it, and it really is a good question, Mo can make a strong case for it.
Posted by sixerzguy | March 2, 2008 9:12 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 09:12
If A.Miller keeps outplaying the elite pt. guards with little to pass to, I can see him here 3 years down the road with more talent around him. I consider wins like this way more important than making the playoffs in the east.
Posted by suede | March 2, 2008 9:29 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 09:29
Iggy had his best game as a professional. That still doesn't mean he's worth more than the contract he was offered. His best game ws a 32 point output, not max numbers. Let's not lose perspective. If he performed like this every night maybe, but didn't we have a player that could score 30+ in his sleep, averaging that over an entire season?
As for Sammy, he's looked bad, bad, terrible. I hear he is injured and so much of his game is predicated on his athleticism. Just something to think about.
I really great win and I don't want to take anything away from it with the Iggy comments. If they can beat the Clippers I will start to believe that we belong in the playoffs, even in the weak East.
Posted by paperchase | March 2, 2008 9:31 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 09:31
Iggy had his best game as a professional. That still doesn't mean he's worth more than the contract he was offered. His best game ws a 32 point output, not max numbers. Let's not lose perspective. If he performed like this every night maybe, but didn't we have a player that could score 30+ in his sleep, averaging that over an entire season?
As for Sammy, he's looked bad, bad, terrible. I hear he is injured and so much of his game is predicated on his athleticism. Just something to think about.
I really great win and I don't want to take anything away from it with the Iggy comments. If they can beat the Clippers I will start to believe that we belong in the playoffs, even in the weak East.
Posted by paperchase | March 2, 2008 9:31 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 09:31
I haven't blasted Willie Green, but I have said that he's not an efficient use of his cap number. He's playing well and it really looks like he's got some confidence. Maybe his knee is back to 100% now both physically and mentally?
Also a word for Rodney Carney who has also stepped up his play too. Again...a little extra confidence in his game.
Credit should go to the coach for developing (still in the early stages) a young team and to the GM for clearing some space by dealing a useful player in Korver to open some minutes for Young, Carney, et al.
On Iguadola...Yeah, I think he made the 2012 Olympic team off last night, but he STILL should've taken the $57 million. If he thinks he can get more then it is going to be a sign and trade and the Sixers are going to get an equivalent asset for him anyway. He'll be here or something close to him will be.
This team is a ways away, but the promise is there. In 3 years, 2010 I'm not sure that this isn't the class of the conference with the right moves. Maybe even sooner.
Posted by Doctor Him | March 2, 2008 9:47 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 09:47
The Sixers need to lock up Iguodala long-term, no questions asked. He's the total package in terms of what he gives from an offensive, defensive, and leadership perspective. He's 24 years old and has improved drastically year. Yes, his #s might be the same this season as last season; however, the leadership role that's he taken on this team, especially since Korver was dealt, has allowed other guys to focus on their games primarily and not worry about the other stuff. At his age, with his skills, leadership abilities, and even more upside potential, not locking him up long-term might be the dumbest move in the history of Philadelphia sports since moving Moses Malone for Jeff Ruland and Cliff Robinson.
Posted by Dean | March 2, 2008 9:49 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 09:49
Iggy is still inconsistent - where was he Friday night?
This team will be good when they get a 4 to fit in with Sammy and iggy and let Reggie Evans do what he does best - play 25 hard effective minutes a night.
They are out there but we need to get the best one we can - interested to see what Elton Brand is up to!
Posted by osuphan | March 2, 2008 10:00 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 10:00
Yes Phoenix was a tremendous win for the Sixers and on top of that the scheduling gods have done the sixers a big favor for the next 3 games
The Sixers have 3 winable games coming up. While the Hawks, Bulls, and Nets could very easily lose 2 or 3 of thier next 3 games, which would allow the Sixers to put a little distance ebetween themselves and their 3 rivals for a playoff spot
Posted by terrys | March 2, 2008 10:03 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 10:03
Yes Phoenix was a tremendous win for the Sixers and on top of that the scheduling gods have done the sixers a big favor for the next 3 games
The Sixers have 3 winable games coming up. While the Hawks, Bulls, and Nets could very easily lose 2 or 3 of thier next 3 games, which would allow the Sixers to put a little distance ebetween themselves and their 3 rivals for a playoff spot
Posted by terrys | March 2, 2008 10:03 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 10:03
DEFENSE!
The Sixers played very strong switching D last night...very aggressive most of the night...that was the difference.
Iguodala fits this team so well because he plays hard at the defensive end. Yes there are more consistent offensive players, but he plays DEFENSE, and rebounds, and steals, and assists, and scores.
DEFENSE!
Posted by John | March 2, 2008 10:19 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 10:19
Mo understands how to win games in the NBA.
Defense first, defensive rebounding second, fast breaks third, set offensive fourth.
With a very good 4 who can play defense, rebound, outlet, run, and score down low, this team contends!
Posted by John | March 2, 2008 10:21 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 10:21
I'm curious about the draft next year, since the Sixers look like they are a playoff team and will draft around 17 or so.
How does Kevin Love strike people at the pick for next year?
Since Miller is going to be here the need for a young point can wait.
I know Love isn't athletic at all, but the guy can ball. I think he may well fit here in a rotation with Evans, Smith, Sammy at the 4/5.
Because I don't think $10 million is going to land Brand.
Posted by Doctor Him | March 2, 2008 10:37 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 10:37
$10M will not land Elton Brand. Haven't seen Love play a whole lot, but I've heard good things. As long as they address the position from a low-post scoring standpoint, I'm good with whatever works. If Love is a guy that people feel can become a dominant low-post scorer, then by all means go out and get him.
Posted by Dean | March 2, 2008 10:43 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 10:43
Dean,
Moses was pretty much cooked by 12 previous pro seasons (starting with ABA Utah Stars) by time Sixers moved him. His first year in Washington was good; after that, it was the beginning of the end, steady decline. That Ruland was damaged goods hurt Sixers, but the trade in theory wasn't bad at all - a smart, rugged, good scoring and passing center and a good shooting forward for a mighty player on his downside. Roll of dice and bad luck.
Not keeping Iguodala, a skilled, versatile but highly egotistical and unwaveringly erratic player, will hardly sink the Sixers franchise. Rather, it would clear room for fresh, stauncher talent to arrive. A given - he's improved each year, but his game is definitely an acquired taste.
"Waiter!"
Posted by jumpin'johnnygreen | March 2, 2008 11:29 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 11:29
SIXERS FANS ARE PATHETIC.....the way you all complain about the team, you'd think you all were promised something OTHER than REBUILDING this year! I nevr thought I'd say this but Knicks fans would appreciate this team more than Philly does. STOP YOUR WHINING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS TEAM. If someone had told any of you this year would be maybe a playoff year, you would've jumped for joy. Now that it actually is, the true Philly losers come out..PATHETIC, WHAT LOSER SIXER FANS....SIT DOWN, SHUT UP AND ENJOY THIS TEAMS HARD PLAY...PATHETIC SIXERS FANS....
Posted by Dbrad | March 2, 2008 11:31 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 11:31
SIXERS FANS ARE PATHETIC.....the way you all complain about the team, you'd think you all were promised something OTHER than REBUILDING this year! I nevr thought I'd say this but Knicks fans would appreciate this team more than Philly does. STOP YOUR WHINING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS TEAM. If someone had told any of you this year would be maybe a playoff year, you would've jumped for joy. Now that it actually is, the true Philly losers come out..PATHETIC, WHAT LOSER SIXER FANS....SIT DOWN, SHUT UP AND ENJOY THIS TEAMS HARD PLAY...PATHETIC SIXERS FANS....
Posted by Dbrad | March 2, 2008 11:31 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 11:31
Kevin Love will not come close to falling to 17th where the Sixers might be picking if he decides to come out which I am about 85% sure he will not leave after his freshman season unless UCLA wins the National Champion.
Posted by Recliner GM | March 2, 2008 11:35 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 11:35
I've got to agree with the general consensus. At this point the fate of the team depends on the quality of the 4 that they acquire this summer with their cap room. They could get lucky with a later pick, but they're banking on the current roster to gel sufficiently to attract not only the requisite free agent but it's own emerging talent as well. It's a gamble to bet on a satisfactory play-off run, but at least it's a bold move. Maybe the fans will start to appreciate a team with brass ones.
Posted by rzzzzz | March 2, 2008 11:53 AM
Posted on March 2, 2008 11:53
I like Iggy a lot, but he needs to move to the 2 full-time. Thad is a 3, not a 4, unless you're running against a small ball team.
And $57 mil for five seasons was a great offer. Iggy wants $14/15 mil per season, and it's just too much. Iggy is a $11-$12 mil per player...$13 mil per at the very most.
Maybe Willie Green's better play would help his summer trade value for a low post scoring 4. We can get by with Thad/Carney at the 3, and Iggy/Sweet Lou at the 2, if we can pick up a defensive 1-2 guard over the summer.
Posted by Trackboy1 | March 2, 2008 12:13 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 12:13
Wow, as awful as Dre, Miller, Green and Mo were against GS, they were equally good last night. When Mo replaced Thad with Sammy at the 4 minute mark, I said "uh-oh," but even that didn't cost them the game. Thad and Evans were really causing havoc on the defensive end, credited with 7 steals between them, but that does not include all the tips and deflections they each had.
As far as Igoudala's value, lets not go overboard after last night against Grant Hill, just as we shouldn't kill him for the egg he laid in the first game of an important road trip against GS. The Sixers offer was fair, and perhaps it's worth it for the sake of continuity to up it by 1 mil per year to get it done. But Dre's ceiling is as a very solid number 2 option. In the salary cap NBA we can't afford to pay him like a number one.
I don't often play armchair GM, but here's a off season proposal: sign and trade with ATL, Sammy for Josh Smith. Then, if we're convinced he can recover from his injury, we sign Nenad Krstic from the Nets to play C. Draft a shooting guard and we're looking good.
C: Krstic
PF Smith
SF Dre
SG #1 pick
PG Miller
Bench Lou, Thad, Green, Evans, Smith
Posted by Morty | March 2, 2008 1:14 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 13:14
like your idea but Smith's value is higher then Sammy D's. Might have to add extra to that deal. Maybe the #1 we got for Korver?
Posted by sfw | March 2, 2008 1:28 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 13:28
If your Atlanta, and you can!t afford Smith, app. 17 mill. per, I would think a minimum of L.Will. and Sam would get the deal done.If we don!t think Iggy is worth 14 to 15 mill., I!m not sure Smith is worth 17 mill.; I doubt he signs for less.I!d rather pay Brand that much.I!m not sure Smith is worth that money plus 2 of your top 7 players.
Posted by suede | March 2, 2008 1:48 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 13:48
Get Sammy Outta here I was diggin what looked like improvement early now he has become brain dead again.
I didn't get to watch most of the Suns game but going back to the GS game on Fri in the 2nd the Sixers had cut the lead to 5 and than Sammy forgot who he was guarding twice and Al Harrington hit back to back 3's to push the lead to 11. Thank God we barely saw him the rest of the night but that is just an example of his lack of basketball IQ.
If we can get rid of him for Josh Smith I would do that in a second.
Posted by 2one5 | March 2, 2008 1:58 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 13:58
Oh and also Iggy had a good game but he is not a max player he is a good building block, steady sorta like Tayshaun Prince diff's are better handle but no post game. 10-12 million is fair for him, any more than that we have to let him walk.
Posted by 2one5 | March 2, 2008 2:01 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 14:01
Atlanta will not trade Josh Smith in a sign and trade straight up for Sam Dalembert. Can we pick up Kobe and LeBron too?
Let's get real here. Josh Smith should get about $15M per in a new deal, which means the Sixers have to move about $5M to fit him under the cap. Billy Knight doesn't exactly have 100% support from ownership; he was the individual who wanted to fire Mike Woodson twice and was nixed by his superiors. I don't think they'll be allowing him to move one of the best young PFs in the game for an overpaid, underskilled C with a horrendously bad contract. Plus, the Hawks have Pachulia inked for next year at $4M per. The ship sailed for the sign and trade with the Hawks once they acquired Mike Bibby. It would have worked with Andre Miller, but the Sixers don't have enough young players adding up to enough cap $$ to make the deal work. The only large packageable contracts are Miller and Sam; Atlanta doesn't need either.
Maybe if we still had Korver and packaged him with Lou and Willie, that would probably be enough from a talent exchange perspective to get Smith in a sign and trade. The contracts would work too because the Sixers would be only $6.5M under the cap, but would be dealing enough in salary out (Korver, Willie, and Lou would add up to about $8.5M) to take back Smith's $15M.
Unfortunately, we f'd that up in December, so that's not an option anymore either.
Posted by Dean | March 2, 2008 2:22 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 14:22
Warning, warning, danger, danger! Dean's getting worked up about Korver. Again. Keep your distance, kids.
So I guess nothing can get done this summer, huh, Dean? Is that your position?
Posted by Morty | March 2, 2008 2:29 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 14:29
Suede:
I caught a bit of the K State- Kansas game last night. Beasley is a star, no doubt. Arthur looked intriguing in that he plays like a true PF with a post up game unlike Beasley who plays more like a SF. I didn't catch enough because the Sixers game was so entertaining, but Arthur's rebounding average looked low to me - is that a function of minutes or skill?
Posted by Morty | March 2, 2008 2:34 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 14:34
One last thing to remember about this off season is that the Sixers and Memphis are about the only two teams likely to have cap room, especially if Marion doesn't opt out in Miami. So that will limit the market for many of these restricted free agents. It will be very interesting to see how this affects pricing. Perhaps a lot of these guys accept the one year tender?
Posted by Morty | March 2, 2008 2:37 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 14:37
Morty, That is why Arthur worries me, he seems to coast sometimes. But he only gets 24 minutes a game so 6 rebounds isn!t that bad.We look so much better defensively with either Evans or J.Smith at the 5. I don!t want Josh Smith because we have 2 p.f.!s that run the court in Evans and Thad. Just like Pheonix took a chance on Shaq to give them a chance in a halfcourt setting, I think we have to think the same way.We need a pure low post option, period.Whether its a 4 or Sam is dealt for a 5 that is what this team lacks.
Posted by suede | March 2, 2008 2:51 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 14:51
Statman
These clowns still talking about trading Iggy and how great JEFF RULAND was lol...dying...Morbid edgar allen poe fans that are clinically depressed and cant see the good in players even after a win on the road against on of the west best teams...I give up on some of these guys they have no hope in them. But great win last night. After Every sportscaster including ESPN predicting the SIXERS would be dead last in the standings just because of the lack of talent on the roster...I think Moe Cheeks deserves some coach of the year votes if we make the playoffs. Jeff Ruland? Come on Marc there should be a NBA I.Q test on here before some of guys are allowed to post. Especially since you are interactive...Who wants respond to Jeff Ruland for Brad Daughty was a good trade? Or Jamal Maglore and Nazr Muhammad is a better center than Samuel Dalembert? NEVERMORE....lol
Posted by Zeru | March 2, 2008 3:19 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 15:19
And yeah Dean I agree... The Kyle Korver trade was very dumb and rushed...Perfect example of a new management guy doing something that makes little to no sense just for the sake of letting subordinates know that he has arrived...The further we get from that trade the dumber it looks
Posted by Zeru | March 2, 2008 3:45 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 15:45
It was Roy Hinson for Brad Daughty. Roy Hinson was the inventor of the term bone to bone, what a trade. Sammy D is back to stealing money again.
Posted by The Greek | March 2, 2008 3:57 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 15:57
Dean is wrong about the Hawks. Now with Bibby's big salary, they have to choose between re-signing Smith or Josh Childress. Smith will want $15 mil per or more. Childress can be re-signed for $7-8 mil per.
Childress has been one of the top sixth men in the league, and plays both the 2 and the 3.
If Al Horford keeps saying he wants to play the 4, the Hawks will pretty much be forced to deal Smith. Horford is the face of the franchise now. And Hawks GM Billy Knight has always been a big fan of Sammy. He likes centers who can block shots and run the floor. Josh Smith on the 6ers is a definite possibility. But it's going to take five years and at least $75 mil, which might be a little more than Stef is willing to pay. The team wouldn't have any cap flexibility for years.
Posted by Trackboy1 | March 2, 2008 4:07 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 16:07
The Greek,
Yeah you are right...Those two jackass trades in one day threw me off
Posted by Zeru | March 2, 2008 4:17 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 16:17
If Ed wanted to make a trade so bad and All Memphis wanted was cap space...How in the hell is Pau Gasol NOT in a Sixers uniform? I'm pretty sure we had a box juicyfruits to give the grizzles...Between memphis and us we are the only ones with Cap space...How did Ed jack that up? If he was so intent in sending Kyle away...why not for Pau Gasol...Looking at that situation and being the first logical chioce for what Memphis wanted to accomplish and looking at what we have and dont have now...Ed is a bum...Lets trade Ed.
Posted by Zeru | March 2, 2008 4:45 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 16:45
Igodala is overrated. We cant see how he could help many teams. Who could possibly believe that Tayshaun Prince would not have equally demolished the Suns.
Just let him walk, teach him a lesson. Nobody thinks he deserves much money.
Of course, if you wish for me to pick one, amongst Carmello, Iverson, or Joe Johnson in terms of future value to a franchise, there has never been a doubt that Iguodala is at the top of that list.
Overpaid? Look at Iverson, Anthony and Johnson; or Redd, and a list too long to repeat.
Sixer fans, as a whole, are lost. But, you do the rest of we GMs a favor with your braincell shortage. Keep it up.
Posted by GM Insider | March 2, 2008 4:47 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 16:47
Morty,
Attaboy. You woke up. Of course they opt for the tender, to go Unrestricted the following year. You can explain that to the others.
Posted by Pillar | March 2, 2008 4:53 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 16:53
Some of you, most of you, are certifiable.
If ANYONE thinks ATL would not trade Josh Smith straight up for Iguodala, then you are crazy.
That is the real world. Of course, if you base your judgments on FANTASY. great for you. Keep it up. lmao
Posted by Jinx | March 2, 2008 5:01 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 17:01
Most of the idiot poster actually think Fantasy Rankings matter.
The Scouts, Inc guy will confirm how Fantasy rankinga are one of the great sources of GM humor, and ridicule. Thats an understatement, too.
Posted by Mike | March 2, 2008 5:06 PM
Posted on March 2, 2008 17:06
Yeah you are such a great GM that you have time to respond to a blog...Can anybody say fraud? And if you are a GM you must be a fired GM... If not now soon...Your talent evalution is just as dumb as your use of vocabulary...In order for somebody to be OVERRATED they have to be getting undeserved recognition already...Is Iggy a allstar yet? I hear announcers talk more about Lou Williams than Iggy. Its impossible to be OVERRATTED if you are barely on the map. Another dunce cap handed out to somebody who doesnt know how to effiectively express his views..GM insider must be an acronym for generally misled
Posted by Zeru | March 2, 2008 5:08 PM
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