The 76ers were so satisfied with clinching a playoff berth on Friday that they took a little extra time off – like the first three quarters of Saturday’s 92-85 loss to the Hawks at the Wachovia Center.
Even Maurice Cheeks admitted afterwards that the Sixers were flat, as if we needed him to tell us what we saw with our own eyes.
The Sixers battled in the fourth quarter, but it wasn’t enough to overtake the Hawks.
The danger is if the Sixers aren’t be able to regain the fire in the final five games and enter the postseason with no momentum.
Their history, especially recently, suggests that they can rebound. The Sixers are 21-8 in their last 29 games.
The chase for a playoff spot was long and arduous and it’s possible that the Sixers can be given the benefit of the doubt for being flat.
There is no time, however, to be flat in multiple games. Besides not wanting to go into the playoffs on a downward spiral, the Sixers also don’t want too low a seed. (It wasn’t that long ago that Sixers fans would have taken any seed, just to see the team get into the playoffs. Now they are getting picky).
The No. 8 and 7 seeds should be avoided at all costs, but that doesn’t mean it would be any picnic if the Sixers finished sixth and had to play Orlando or even were fifth and faced Cleveland.
No matter who the Sixers meet in the playoffs they will be underdogs, but that doesn’t mean they can’t compete hard or even pull off an upset.
The Sixers have shown that they aren’t good enough to win without putting out a maximum effort.
They were a little full of themselves after wins over Boston and Chicago and paid for it in a 113-95 loss to Phoenix that wasn’t as close as the final score indicated.
The Sixers played much harder in last week’s 91-88 loss at Cleveland and then followed that with wins at New Jersey and Atlanta.
It’s been an up and down emotional cycle and during Saturday’s loss to Atlanta, the Sixers were mentally spent before the opening tap.
Now they have to refuel and play the final five games with the urgency they showed during Friday’s win in Atlanta and hope that Saturday’s effort proves to be an aberration.
Comments (102)
Since the Sixers locked up a playoff spot, how do you think they will fair in potential match ups:
http://www.reclinergm.com/76ers-are-in-the-playoffs/
I give them a pass this game coming off the high of clinching a playoff spot. I fully expect them to come out and play well and hard against Detroit next game.
Posted by Dannie | April 6, 2008 12:19 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 00:19
Pretty natural to have an emotional letdown after the journey they have been on especially on a back to back vs same opponent.
Will be another test for Mo and his young team to see if they can get back at it.
Sixers need to treat the remaining games as playoff games, as the start of their new season.
Posted by JBP | April 6, 2008 3:19 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 03:19
I think last nights loss should be considered "seasoning" for our young core of players.
It's good, in a way, that Thad, Louie, etc have to stomach a letdown loss, and how much it sucks afterwards when you know you really should've gotten a "W."
Next time they will win a game like this!
Posted by Jimmy Lyman | April 6, 2008 7:16 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 07:16
judging by the number of post....we've all had a little let down after clinching the playoffs
Posted by jjb | April 6, 2008 7:59 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 07:59
Posting from a long way away (Australia), all I want to say is at the moment is that we WILL BE PLAYING IN THE POST-SEASON.
Let's face facts people - we are one of the top 10 teams in the NBA. And any comment about playing in the "weak east" is answered by our record against the west.
Enjoy this team, they are passionate and exciting.
Snarf???
Russell
Posted by Russell | April 6, 2008 8:23 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 08:23
Remaining games: Detroit, Indiana, @Washington, Cleveland, @Charlotte
Washington's games: Boston, @Detroit, Philly, Indiana, @Orlando
While the Wizards' schedule looks harder at first, Boston, Detroit, and Orlando have already locked up their playoff positions and may rest starters. Indiana won't make the playoffs. Their last real test is Philly, making that one a MUST-WIN.
The Sixers face a similar schedule, except that Cleveland will probably find itself clawing tooth and nail for the 4th position and homecourt advantage, making that a difficult one to win. Especially after coming back from a road game against the Wiz. I don't think Charlotte is going to play easy, either.
A game behind for the coveted 5th spot, that game against Washington will bridge the distance between these two teams. It will also decide the tiebreaker. Philly can decide their own destiny, but it may very well require winning their remaining five games to earn a trip to Cleveland.
Posted by bob | April 6, 2008 8:39 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 08:39
Off until Wednesday. We'll see how they will respond for the remaining games. Looking for a 3-2 finish minimum.
Some thoughts on final four.
UCLA guards were taken out by Memphis. Collison definitely lost draft value. Douglas-Roberts value increased. After Love's mediocre game he could fall to the bottom of the lottery(If he comes out). If interested we may be able to get him be packaging draft picks or a pick/player. He definitely needs to get rid of that body fat.
That active Kansas feshman center will have a future in the NBA. Rush has an NBA game already. Chalmers may now come out this year.
UNC players talking about coming out better stay with the exception of Psycho T whose draft value will probably stay as they are now.
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 9:34 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 09:34
sfw,
Did you catch the Final Four last night? What did you think of Kevin Love and Tyler Hansbrough? To me, Love's stock slipped, while Hansbrough's went up. I hate all the "Great White Hype" Hansbrough is getting (Adam Morrison, JJ Redick, vomit...), but he was impressive against Kansas' NBA-level athletes, and I think he's gonna be pretty good in the NBA. All-Star, no. But definitely a starter. NBA teams are gonna get caught up in how much upside he has instead of how much he can help them win. I loved how even though Kansas was trying to keep the ball from him, he still found ways to contribute - that's gotta be a big plus, right? I think Hansbrough could really help out the Sixers.
I also love CDR for them - Calipari's motion offense is similar to Cheeks' right? I feel he could step in right away and help.
datruth4life,
I'm not sold on spending money on Turiaf. I think there are always guys like him in the 2nd round (Carl Landry, Leon Powe, Amir Johnson, Big Baby), and after reading scouting reports, it sounds like we have a Turiaf-type of player in Herbert Hill.
Posted by sixerzguy | April 6, 2008 9:42 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 09:42
sixerz, what timing. Suede likes roberts a lot. I'm not completely sold yet. Still prefer Love over Hansbrough. He provides that post presence we're looking for but I think he needs to focus on conditioning or his knees won't hold up with that NBA schedule. Pscho T seems to be an NBA role player to me. Reggie evans who can make some shots. The main deciding factor may be their actual height. They may both measure up at 6'7". That wouldn't help either of them.
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 9:48 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 09:48
I want to talk about Willie Green last night. This scrub played basically the entire 3rd qt last night. He is back to shooting 1-11 that is a joke. No other team in the gets less from thier starting 2 guard. Ok He has acouple ok games here and there but that is the exception not the norm.
I do not understand why Cheeks leaves him in for so long when he is struggling it doesn't make any sense. Rodney Carney is coming into his own before our eyes plus he plays better D. I hate how Willie Green gets all low in his stance like he gonna do something than his man drives right by him.
The Sixers could have won that game if Carney got Willies mins that is the truth we had the lead cut to four in the 3rd when willie missed a three and then traveled on consecutive possessions.
When his shots go in it is such a surprise. Now I know Cheeks might be worried about messing up chemistry by changing the starting line up, so thats find leave him in the starting lineup but for gods sake please pull him with a quickness if he starts chucking up shots and missing and traveling and doing all those things that he does.
I don't wanna complain about this too much cause I do like the team Willie also seems like a great person, last night though he had me yelling at the TV.
Posted by 2one5 | April 6, 2008 10:17 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 10:17
suede and sfw
-- After arthur last night I can fairly say that I wasn't impressed. He really washe 4th best big man on that team.
CDR, and ellington were great and would thrive in our system taking away all of willie greens minutes. Or should I say the terrible willie green.
Also rush would look good on on squad and all three of those guys might possible be there. 1. cdr 2. ellington 3. rush
Posted by The Greek Snarf | April 6, 2008 10:20 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 10:20
This was a disturbing let-down as far as I am concerned. The team still lacks the killer instinct necessary and either they learn it, or they will be chased out of the playoffs.
A win last night, and they would have been on-track to overtake Cleveland for the 4th spot and get home court advantage. Now, they are dependent on other teams once again.
No, none of the match-ups are easy, but having an advantage in the first round, would have been psychologically daunting to the Cavaliers.
There are no excuses, since Atlanta played the night before. Why were they fresh and ready for the game and the Sixers not?
Now, it appears the Sixers will have to win their remaining games to have even a chance to catch Cleveland. As it is, they will have to keep winning to avoid ending up with a lower seed than 5.
Posted by rick | April 6, 2008 11:16 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 11:16
Arthur looked weak last night. From his body language and his look it didn't seem like he was all there. That kind of moody inconsistence spells headaches for the NBA. Pass on him.
Psycho T could be a good energy player off the bench, but I don't see him fitting a starting role on any legit team at the next level. Although he did manage to affect the game the Kansas frontcourt really minimized his role. His off-the-charts tenacity is the only reason why he even touched the ball last night.
Posted by bob | April 6, 2008 11:43 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 11:43
The snarf has been dropped, it's comedic value has served it's purpose.
ED, as sure As i am that george falkowski has yellow rotten teeth is how sure I am that you read this blog.
Here is a thought ed, after the season call every single team to guage any interest on willie green. If the responses are lukewarm then take ANY expiring contract that we could get for him and if that isn't enough throw in a #2 and if that doesn't work throw in a second #2 and if that doesn't work then please alert us that we will have to live with him jacking up another 875 again next season
Posted by The Greek | April 6, 2008 11:48 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 11:48
Oh, and I know he is probably out of our grasp, but how awesome does Westbrook look? Possibly the best defender in college ball with great driving ability and a smart finisher. He looks like he could be a real star.
Posted by bob | April 6, 2008 11:49 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 11:49
Rick, I think the let down is understandable. How many of these guys were involved during our last playoff experience? Even Evans hardly played when Denver was in the playoffs.
Greek, yeah. Arthur has no defined offensive game. He's a finese power forward. I just read that Clark from Louisville is coming out. He's the same athletic forward but aggressive offensively inside and out. I would consider him. I think he is a legit 6'9" + in sneakers(NBA).
Not sure about Ellington's body being NBA ready. Seems like he's physical enough for a 6'3" 2 guard. He should stay one more year.
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 11:53 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 11:53
Greek, I mean ellington isn't physical enough.
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 11:55 AM
Posted on April 6, 2008 11:55
I find it interesting that many of you are suggesting another 6'6'' swing man who plays a similar game to Iguodola, Young and Carney (CDR)after watching last night's game. What I saw was that his handle was a little suspect and Rose got him a ton of open shots.
Also, what are we going to do with another swing man - no wonder you all liked Billy King - he drafted the same position with three straight 1st round picks. Also, who likes Hansbrough? He takes every shot from his shoulder - he will get owned in the NBA with that _____. What is all this talk about a backup for Sammy? We NEED a POWER FORWARD - Alexander or DJ White or someone like that. Someone who can play with their back to the basket and also get out and run and hit an open J.
Posted by hugh | April 6, 2008 12:08 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:08
Also, for the know it all who said that we are a top 10 team - please see the top 10 in the Western Conference - joke.
Posted by hugh | April 6, 2008 12:11 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:11
I have to echo the comments of 2one5 regarding Willie, especially the point that no team gets less from their 2 guard than we do. Its as if we often win despite what he's doing out there on the court - which I can't say I understand exactly what that is. Last nights stats: 20 mins, 2 pts, 2 assists, 2 rebounds, 2 steals. Not exactly filling up the old stat sheet. Is that what is expected of an starting NBA 2 guard? Let's be honest too, that's not exactly an unusual night for him.
I've accepted the fact that Ed and Mo want to maximize his value going into the off-season. And maybe they don't want to upset chemistry but come on, how much chemistry is being contributed by a guy perpetually shooting 20-30%?
Yes, the position is called "shooting guard" but the assumption is that you are shooting AND SCORING!
Mo, Ed - Please bench him now, give Carney the nod, and provide the team a chance to normalize before the playoffs start.
Posted by TormentedInBeantown | April 6, 2008 12:21 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:21
Positive from last night - Carney's 3 continues to fall. Has anyone heard him speak lately, also? seems like his voice dropped a full octave. the kid is growing up.
Im not sure that i really buy into Hansbrough for the 6ers either. as others mentioned, he was not as effective against larger players. If we're going to grab someone of potentially suspect size, I'd agree that DJ white is the way to go - much tougher, wider body. Also, if we're doing a second round big man, I wouldn't mind seeing padgett coming in to back up sammy. they can both run, but padgett's better in the half court offense and possibly a better man defender than sam. Don't think we'd get the same shot blocking, but hey, you can still have sam close the game out if that's what you need.
Posted by KM | April 6, 2008 12:26 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:26
And yeah, been trying hard not to be negative, but d*$% willie...
Posted by KM | April 6, 2008 12:28 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:28
SFW, ellingtons can stroke it from deep. We need somone like that, the biggest thing with ellington will be when he gets measured. If he is less then the 6'4 that he is listed then his stock will plummet. Willie green and AI are the only sg starters in the league sub 6'3, and thats because there special. Just kidding about willie, he is terrible
Posted by The Greek | April 6, 2008 12:31 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:31
Hugh, I hear you bro. I cant believe it myself that I am barking fOR another 6'7 guy but memphis plays like the sixers and CDR is unstoppable on the break. His handle is terrific, and he is 413% from trey land. Basically Hugh, picking where we will be 16-18, it's best that we take the best available player then go for need. This kid could really help us in every phase of the game, half court, full court, outside shooting etc.
Posted by The Greek | April 6, 2008 12:38 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:38
2one5, you're on point. Willie Green, 2 pts. A starting NBA shooting guard with 2 pts in a vital playoff race game. The 6ers definitely need a low post scoring 4, but getting rid of Willie for a better 2 guard is a close second.
Posted by Trackboy1 | April 6, 2008 12:51 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 12:51
hugh,
I remember you said you're a draft nut, or something like that. Who do you think we take with our 1st rounder this year? Are you saying we make a surprise pick by taking DJ White with 16th~18th pick?
About Hansbrough - so you're saying don't count what he showed last night against a physically big and tough Kansas squad? I thought he was overrated myself, and was looking for him to be rendered impotent last night, but he wasn't, and he was just as good as Kevin Love. For someone who hates how Sammy hurts the Sixers, I thought you'd be more appreciative of how much Hansbrough can contribute despite not being the most gifted athlete (I'm not saying white guys can't be athletes here, I hate that stereotype, but Tyler's just not - but Jason Smith is).
We don't HAVE TO take a power forward in the draft. That need can be filled another way. For example, Zeru's idea for getting Lamar Odom is a great one. Thad's been great at the PF spot. And what I'd love to happen, even though there's a small chance of it, is Jason Smith becoming that PF we're looking for.
How about this issue: Andre Miller is our 2nd best player, but that's only gonna last for 2~3 years. After that, Iggy better have a comparable sidekick. Maybe you can help me with this "Sixers' Best Offensive Players" timeline:
2008: Iggy, Miller, Lou
2009: Iggy, Miller, Lou
2010: Iggy, Lou, who?
2011: Iggy, Lou, who?
I also don't think you're considering what Mo's offense is like, with all its motion and need for dribble drive penetrators. CDR's been doing that for the past two years, and doing it extremely well, and I think he'd be a great fit on the Sixers because of that. And isn't being able to take what your point guard gives you and converting a great skill itself?
And you said it'd be a waste for the Sixers to get a point guard this draft. Again, how do we replace Miller in a couple of years? The transition between Miller to the next Sixers' point guard is looking more and more like it's the Sixers' biggest future issue. How about taking a point guard in the draft now and grooming him to be Miller's successor?
Posted by sixerzguy | April 6, 2008 1:05 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 13:05
Sixerzguy,
Good points - I disagree re Hansbrough that he was very effective last night. He is a good energy guy and another poster echoed my thoughts about him in a previous post that he is a glorified Reggie Evans. He reminds me of Joakim Noah - do you want to know what the Bulls' biggest problem this year is - nobody on that team can shoot. Deng, Noah, Tyrus Thomas - excellent motor guys - but they can't stick it. Guys like that are ok if they are the only guy on the team that can't shoot - like Ben Wallace was on Detroit. Now you see why they are having problems - they made their play for Wallace and that just added to the list of guys who can't score on that team.
I am ok if they fill the PF role via FA (Brand, Odom, Smith) and then draft a Collison or Augustin, but I would rather keep Miller for now and see what is avilable at the next deadline or in next year's draft. I think the most glaring need is PF. I like Young on the wing and Iggy at the 2. Miller is playing well - maybe we could resign him for a 2 year deal or something after next year - or like I said - see what's available in next year's draft. Also, maybe Lou Williams steps into that role. Miller's expiring contract is like gold in this league. Also, we could possibly get a 2nd 1st round pick this year (or next year) - so maybe we can fill both needs this year. I just think White and Alexander would be good fits and would fill needs.
Forget about best player available. That is why Billy King no longer has his job. That is like the Eagles taking Kolb when they have obvious needs at WR and TE and DE and at S. Kolb may be good, but they have needs to fill. If you're always playing to be good in a few years, you're never going to be good - especially in the NBA - with the way the cap and rookie contracts work - it is not practical. You get stuck in situations like the Sixers are in now - having to resign Dalembert because his contract was up and he had one "good" series in the playoffs. He is extremely limited. You are forced to decide - one way or the other - on guys who you have been trying to develop - then you end up with Kwame Brown or Jermaine O'Neal - it can go either way. Lou Williams is another good example - what is he worth? What will another team offer him? How much years should we lock into him for?
Posted by hugh | April 6, 2008 1:43 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 13:43
Greek, If Iggy is our future 2(per Ed) and Thad is our 3 then Lou Will & Carney can serve as our immediate backups. A shooter would be nice but that power forward spot and maybe a backup point, preferably with size would be my preference whether through the draft/free agency or trade. We'll get a great chance to see if Lou & Carney's outside shot's continue to drop through the playoff pressure. If so, shooter may not be even on the radar.
Some of those college teams really pad the measurements. It will be interesting to see the size of these guys. Rumor has it that Psycho T is actually 6'2".
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 2:03 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 14:03
LOL - good one. That must mean Augustin is like 5'5''
Posted by hugh | April 6, 2008 2:05 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 14:05
Which makes Collison vertically challenged.
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 2:07 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 14:07
Over here cracking up laughing at Hugh and KM...This has got to be best/funniest entertaining blog I've read so far. What's even more funny is I find myself agreeing with almost everything that is said. Especially the Willie Green comments lol yall are crazy
Posted by Zeru | April 6, 2008 2:39 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 14:39
I am here solely for entertainment - and to make excellent, irrefutable points.
Posted by hugh | April 6, 2008 2:57 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 14:57
Sixerguy,
I'm with you on a couple of matters..I think we should be playing Jason Smith alot more right now than we have been. I love the kids energy. If we could get him stronger and more confidence on the
block I think he is a stud.
Hugh
Also I dont mind drafting the best player available. 6,6 6,7 whatever...these are all the guys that have grown up idolizing Jordan thats why there are so many talented guys at that height playing simular games. Even 6, 10 - 7 footers want to play a guards game. Thats why big men and TRUE point guards are so rare because everybody wants to play mikes game. But give me another6 something guy any day over a passionless unconcerned looking guy like roy hibbert. Billy King smart because he knew those are the type of players that are carrying the nba right now because of the lack of development in true big men. And lets face it..We STILL dont have a clear cut answer at the 2 so why not? I like d.j white and i respect Love's bb I.Q but if we cant the ideal lets take the best
Posted by Zeru | April 6, 2008 3:02 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 15:02
Man, it felt good going to the Sixers official website and seeing playoff talk...helped heal my wounded soul, lol.
Posted by Chris E. | April 6, 2008 3:37 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 15:37
The letdown last night wasn't unexpected. The Hawks present a lot of tough matchups for the 76ers. The four main ones are Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, Al Horford and Childress.
Josh Smith is too quick for Evans and is a little too big for Thad. No one on our squad can guard Joe Johnson one on one. Sammy can guard Al Horford, but if the Hawks penetrate, the 76ers have no one else who can come over and protect the basket or block the show. Childress has just abused any and everybody off of the 76ers bench. Just like Orlando, we don't match up well against Hawks.
If I'm a Hawks fan, I'd be a little disappointed that I'm paying Mike Bibby $13M a year and Lou Williams has outplayed him in back to back games. Carney continues to play well.
I know the summer and the draft are still months away, but I am eager to see how this team will evolve going forward and what pieces Stefanski will add. I still think before all is said and done, Stefanski can maximize his assets next year by trading Miller in the last year of his contract. If not, then let him play it out and use the cap room to get someone younger going forward.
Who do you guys want in free agency and the draft?
Also, Marc, what are the extra protections that BK got for the 76ers no. 2 pick this year. It was top 45 protected BEFORE they swapped Fesenko for Herbert Hill this past draft and picked up future draft considerations for this year. That could be important because the 76ers could be picking later than 45 this summer.
There will be shooters available as well as players with potential in that area.
Posted by datruth4life | April 6, 2008 4:04 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 16:04
Strangely enough, if we move Dre to SG and drop Willie (please please please) then we might actually need another swing man as backup for Thad at SF. The draft could be a good place to do that. I still think our PF should not come from the draft, unless we can trade up for Love.
Of course that assumes Carney is becoming the real deal (I think I'm drinking the Carney kool aid despite a couple miscues last night.) In that case, Miller, Dre, Lou and Carney is a pretty good group of guards.
Back to PF, except for Love, there is no consensus impact PF in the draft this year. Which makes the potential of an Odom placeholder more and more attractive. Even more so if it would be possible to unload Green in that deal. Please let me know if I begin to sound like Dean was with Lowry, about this deal.
Posted by Morty | April 6, 2008 4:35 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 16:35
Morty, did you see Love go up and down the court last night. Playing at UCLA, I find his conditioning unacceptable. Maybe he has health issues. I'd want to really check him out prior to the draft. A Tuna pointed outthat he didn't jump for all 4 rebounds he got in the first half. I like his skill set but I wonder about his athletism and health.
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 4:40 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 16:40
Does anyone have any insight on whether or not Andre Miller will actually be looking to resign with the 76ers?
I can't make my mind up about CDR. Let's say he settles into the 2 spot since we already have excellent young 3s in Thad and Carney. If he rotates at the 2 with Iggy, I'm concerned about Lou. Can he become a legitimate backup PG? I've always thought of him playing an AI-like two. Space becomes an issue, even if Lou goes back between 1/2 and Iggy between 2/3. I'm having visions of the Chicago Bulls. If we can package him in a sign and trade deal somehow for a solid PF it would be worth it though.
I also think that drafting a PF in the late first round with the expectation that he can come in and start is not very smart, especially since JSmith and Hill are already on the radar. I do think that we can improve our backups both at PG (Ollie) and C (Booth).
Posted by bob | April 6, 2008 4:53 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 16:53
I agree in regards to Jason Smith and have been saying that for a while. I would like to see him start over Reggie Evans. I would like to see more pick and roll with Miller and Smith as well as Iggy and Smith.
I understand the whole MJ effect - but pleae realize that most of these kids have never seen MJ play in his prime. They were probably 10 or so towards the end of his prime. I think it is MJ related - but more of an ESPN era thing than a Jordan effect- even though this could be a chicken and egg debate.
However, you do raise a very good point - one that I have argued for the last few years. The evolution of the big man over the past 10 years is one that I think has negatively affected the game. I am not saying big men who can step out and hit a jump shot and handle the ball is a bad thing - I just think that it is a product of the direction of the NBA. The 2 major influences in this over the lsat 10 years have been:
1) The influx of big men from Europe that can shoot (I will call it the Dirk effect). This has lead to guys trying to develop other parts of their came since NBA teams started to covet this type of player. Even Jason Smith has compared his game to Dirk's.
2) The incorporation of the zone. I think this has been one of the bigger mistakes of the NBA in the past 5-10 years. I was never a huge fan of the illegal D rule, but it forced guys to play more one on one and that forced guys to be better defenders or they wouldn't get minutes (Snow, McKie, Lynch and Hill made careers out of being solid defenders). This has phased out many of the smart/solid defensive players and replaced them with more athletic and less crafty/intelligent players. Could you imagine if there was no zone in the league now - Sammy would lead the league in illegal defenses. Teams would catch him leaning all of the time and then he would stay too close to his defender and he would be out of position for the help D. Not to pick on Sammy. This rule was obviously put in to help these young, athletic kids who couldn't defend anyone one on one. I have always hated this rule in the NBA. (Side note:I am also very surprised that more teams don't employ it against the Sixers - as they are not a very good perimeter team, although they have been better as of late.) This was David Stern's idea of jacking up scores, trying to attract more fans rather than appealing to the more passionate fans. I don't need to see 123 - 120 games with no defense.
Posted by hugh | April 6, 2008 4:53 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 16:53
Let's say Thabeet falls into our laps. Wouldn't it be great to unload Sammy's contract for a virtual twin replacement?
Posted by bob | April 6, 2008 5:04 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 17:04
bob, can you say stiff.
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 5:06 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 17:06
bob, he does not have sames mobility. He's a more slow footed , straight up center who will block shots straight up and will only play the lane. He seems to me to be a real project. Don't want to wait.
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 5:16 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 17:16
S.F.W., up to 5 a.m. shooting pool, still recovering. Guys, after watching Sixers up to this point I think our needs are in this order; 1] low post scorer; 2]big that can stop a low post scorer;3]a big athletic, defensive pt. guard to play with L.Will off the bench;4] a backup combo 3/4 that can play with Thad.Seems like a lot but can 3 players solve all these issues, maybe.The only available players that can solve the first 2 needs are Brand,J.Oneal,Okafor,Nene,Hibbard[next to Sam for 20 min.a game]and possibly R.Lopez. All these players, except for Brand are 6!11" or bigger. If we are going to the playoffs for the next 5 years we have to have an answer for D.Howard,Duncan, Amare and co.D.J.White and Love give us the low post threat but can they match up with the stud big scorerS AT 6!8" . I don!t know.If W.Green is the 5th guard on this team he would be an option on nights when we are off offensively or have an injury to one of our top 4.I would love to come out of this draft with an athletic 6!5" backup point [K.Weaver] and either a combo forward[J.Alexander] or a big [Hibbard or Lopez] than get our final need with a trade or free agent.My buddy, the Tuna, wants Jamison; if we got Weaver and Hibbard in the draft and signed Jamison that would solve all our needs. By the way did you see A.Miller comment at the Phillies game about needing another scorer?
Posted by suede | April 6, 2008 6:06 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 18:06
Suede, maybe he's politicing for Jamison. We've debated about winning & losing for draft position in the past AND maybe winning would motivate a player to want to come to the Sixers. That player could be Jamison.
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 6:17 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 18:17
S.F.W., E.Clark is intriging. Think he is over 6!8"? He could be that combo forward.
Posted by suede | April 6, 2008 6:23 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 18:23
Suede, Yes I do. He's listed in college at 6'9". Not sure what kind of person he is BUT the more I think about Jamison, the more I like him. Averages 21.5 & 10.2 rebounds a game this year, Good person. He, Andre & Andre good combination with the young guys filling the gaps. Andre M. would like having another vet player(star) on the team. Doesn't hog the ball. Nothing not to like.
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 6:34 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 18:34
Its amazing how everything comes back to our p.g. Why did Denver,already with enough scorers, make that trade. What a class act and leader. How many players in the league, regardless of position, could have left a playoff situation like A.Miller and came in and had a positive affect like he has.
Posted by suede | April 6, 2008 6:49 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 18:49
Hibbard stinks - Robin Lopez should have stayed another year. Why does nobody listen to me? Why do I keep hearing about stiffs?
Posted by hugh | April 6, 2008 8:02 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 20:02
Hugh, maybe because there are no guarrantees when you draft a kid out of college. The games are very different. If Hibbert is a stiff, then since he's probably getting drafted in the top 20, I guess the rest are stiffs and irrelevant?
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 8:24 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 20:24
A little dose of reality.
I've been ripping on Dorsey but hope he gets his degree and gets some NBA money.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/23975581/
Posted by sfw | April 6, 2008 8:33 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 20:33
Robin Lopez averaged 10 and 6 to White's 17 and 10 - White is a much better prospect and fills the low post scorer and rebounder that we need. I am not worried, because as much as everyone on this blog is pushing for CDR and more guards - I know Stefanski will not make the same mistakes that BK made - he has been saying since day 1 that he wants a scoring PF - so I know he will get one this off-season and it will probably be in the draft since there is no real availability in FA.
Posted by hugh | April 6, 2008 8:45 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 20:45
DJ white is not even a top 20 draft pick. Hibbard played in one of the top conference in the nation and won back to back conference titles. You can't even can compare Robin to dj either. 6ers can pick dj white with the 46th pick. But their is player at Rider College is ranked higher than Dj white. He is not even on the national radar. He can be a steal at the 46th pick just like sweet lou was. I would not pick DJ white with the 16th pick. Maybe with the 46th pick.
Posted by kevin | April 6, 2008 10:00 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 22:00
Rumplestiltskin from West Chester County, NY. Remember that name. A real sleeper.
Posted by W. Irving | April 6, 2008 10:43 PM
Posted on April 6, 2008 22:43
Hugh, its easy to make the "safe" pick but we already have a 6!8" forward that can!t guard the big stars in the league, why add another. You have stated your dislike of Sam!s abilities many times so do you just let Duncan, Howard , Stoudemire,etc. get their 30 pts. everytime they face us or do you address the problem.Hibbard is in an offense not suited for a low post center and shoots 65% from the field and is a better passer and defensive player than White, plus the fact he is 7" taller. He will be better in the pros when his teamwill actually run plays for him. Lopez is a better athlete than White and though raw offensively, will make a major impact down the defensive end right away. Players like Diogu and Millsap have a place in the league but at 6!8" ,like White they are limited usually to a backup role.
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Posted by suede | April 7, 2008 1:34 AM
Posted on April 7, 2008 01:34
Hugh, earlier you said we shouldn!t take the best player available, it worked out pretty well last year. We picked a 3 and with Korver gone and Iggy moving to 2, there may be room for a backup 2 or 3 depending on where Carney fits best.
Posted by suede | April 7, 2008 1:43 AM
Posted on April 7, 2008 01:43
No time to talk about the upcoming playoffs, it seems.
Why worry about who we can draft or pick up in free agency? We have this team for at least nine more games--they're exciting and rarely take a night off. They could spring an upset and will definitely make their opponent sweat. What more do you want right now?
The most gratifying thing about this season has been the team embracing a style of play that is just plain fun to watch. Pushing the ball, playing as a team, everyone maximizing potential (except Willie Green, jeez), and not only beating up mediocre teams but running the very best in the league off the floor.
Whatever happens in the playoffs this has been my favorite Sixers season since the finals run. I hope you all are enjoying it, too.
Posted by The Other Craig | April 7, 2008 2:27 AM
Posted on April 7, 2008 02:27
Sixerzguy,
The reason why I like Turiaf is because he is just beginning to scratch the surface of his talent. The same with Charlie V.
If you hit on them before they break out, then you got good talent under contract for a moderate salary. That is what the Wizards did with Gilbert Arenas. They took a chance on a player before he blossomed and became an all-star.
I'd like to get someone either young or in their prime to grow with this group. Also, you can get Turiaf just by signing him to a contract. Most of the PF prospects out there, the 76ers will have to give up draft picks and players to get. Jamison is a double-double machine, but how many years does he have left?
I'd like to keep this year's pick (unless you trade it for a starter) because there are some bigs to be had with potential. Like I said before, I am very interested to see what Stefanski does.
Posted by datruth4life | April 7, 2008 8:34 AM
Posted on April 7, 2008 08:34
Datrue4life, If you could just offer money to get Turiaf it would work, but usually the agent and the team[Lakers] work out a sign and trade to benefit the player[money,years] and the team[assets].The Utah pick or J.Smith may get it done if the Sixers want him.Agree about finding an unknown young talent. Undrafted players like R.Evans and B.Wallace are where E.S. may surprise us. The drafting is a given, but finding a diamond in the rough is true genius.
Posted by suede | April 7, 2008 8:55 AM
Posted on April 7, 2008 08:55
Toronto has a really easy schedule to finish the season, to stay at the 6th spot we have to finish strong. I hope Wash. takes a while getting used to Arenas.
Posted by suede | April 7, 2008 9:17 AM
Posted on April 7, 2008 09:17
It worked out well last year, but next offseason means Carney is a FA and then the next means Young in one - how much money will we have for these guys if we sign anyone else in FA this year or next? What about Miller after next year too> We need to invest in a PF who can run - Hibbard is soooooooo slow and will get destroyed by the likes of Howard and Stoudemire. Robin Lopez is athletic - woopidy doo. Tyrus Thomas is athletic too - he can'st shoot to save his life. I don't want athletes - I want basketball players.
Posted by hugh | April 7, 2008 9:19 AM
Posted on April 7, 2008 09:19
Hugh, Hibbard works against certain teams; [Boston,Pheonix,Dallas,Lakers], teams with 2 bigs. He is the best low post player coming out, if he was a 4 it would be a no brainer but there is still 20 minutes a game where Sam has to sit so even in a backup roll he has value. Lopez, I agree is a work in progress on offense but he scored 10 a game off of just putbacks and seemsw like a guy that will work to improve. The draft camps and measurements will make the final decision for E.S.. I like Whites game , he is a finished product but like when Battier was drafted as a "safe pick" over some unfinished guys that turned out to be better, sometimes you have to take that shot. If White measures 6!9" or bigger than go get him.
Posted by suede, | April 7, 2008 9:34 AM
Posted on April 7, 2008 09:34
Agree on White - he was slotted around 15 or 16 a few weeks ago. I agree that the camps will decide who the picks is. Maybe we will get Utah's pick this year. He would be a steal at this pick - also, these draft projections are never accurate - this same site had Calathes in the mid 2nd round and his brother in the mid first a month or so ago.
Battier is a perfect example - he is an excellent defender and has the ability to score when needed - well coached and does not make mistakes. He is what Thaddeus Young should look to become - maybe a little more offense.
Posted by hugh | April 7, 2008 10:21 AM
Posted on April 7, 2008 10:21
sfw, i think our future number one will be Thad. Now if they would only just give him the damn ball. I hear you Bro, we need a big man bad. But passing up cdr would be very hard.
Posted by The Greek | April 7, 2008 10:28 AM
Posted on April 7, 2008 10:28
Hugh,
You can go over the cap to resign you own players. Don't worry about resigning Carney and Young.
Personally, I wouldn't mind trying to trade a guy like Willie Green to move up in the Draft. I'm not sure I want to take a chance on an undersized White, a slow Hibbard or a project like Robin Lopez. I think there will be some real players available if you can get up to the 10th pick.
B Frank
Posted by B Franklin | April 7, 2008 10:52 AM
Posted on April 7, 2008 10:52