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Questions on street sweeping

I don't understand why the city does not have weekly street cleaning. Every other mid sized to large city I've lived in or visited has weekly mechanical street cleaning.

When I say this in Philly, I then have to explain: You know, the cars can't park on a street for one day a week so the mechanical street sweeper can be driven down to clean up the gutter and storm grates. This isn't just more sanitary, it keeps the gutters and drains clear and prevents flooding.

I see people in Philly cleaning the storm drains THEMSELVES. People clear the drains with long steel poles they keep for the purpose. This is something you don't even see in third world countries, where hiring people is not expensive.

Why can't the city contract out for street cleaner drivers? I understand that we can't hire more city employees. [But] we have something like $540 million up to $700 million in uncollected property taxes. Why do some people get to not pay their taxes and the city is fine with never having street cleaning?

It's crazy that private organizations have to organize street cleaning, like CCRA, like Citizens' Alliance. It also breeds corruption -- CA was the nonprofit used by Fumo to get things done for his own properties, not just for the South Philly area east of Broad.

I'm searching for the explanation for this dysfunctional status quo: 1. not money -- we have plenty if we just have normal tax collection/foreclosure on appropriate, vacant land 2. we have the ability to contract for it -- that's what nonprofits do 3. the public is unanimous in its desire for it -- regular mechanical street sweeping provides real results that people want.

A clean city is a top three item that an electorate expects from its government. How can anyone visit Philly and be expected to say, "I want democratic leadership like THAT in my home town?"

-Anonymous

Comments (14)

Yolanda Robinson:

Philly actually does have street cleaning. I guess just not in all areas which is unbelievable. I live in the Overbrook section and during the months of Mar-Dec there is street cleaning. One side is cleaned on Thursdays and the other on Friday. Of course vehicles must move on the respective days. I believe the discontinue during the winter months due to snow, ice etc.

I live in South Philadelphia and the parking is horrible, basically there are more cars than there are parking spaces. You propose that city residents, residents that pay the highest wage tax in nation, move their cars once a week, when there is no parking to begin with, where will we park? If we don't move our cars we get ticketed! Philadelphia does not need street cleaning!

Larry:

This used to be done years ago. Do you really think the city unions will allow this work to be contracted out to non-city (and presumably non-union) employees? City Council won't even vote to waive the 1 year city residency requirement for city employees, even with the requirement they move into the city within 6 months of being hired. We have a great mayor, and the same sad City Council

Richardson Dillweed:

Seems like Philly does need street cleaning, and also South Philly needs car sharing.

Anonymous:

Philly should have street cleaning everywhere except South Philly. Let them keep their parking spaces.

west philly guy:

I lived in DC for ten years before moving here, where we had weekly cleaning. The obvious benefit is that the streets get cleaned, yes. The hidden benefits are two-fold:

First, it does make it a little more inconvenient to own a car. Hopefully, the result of this is that people get rid of cars they don't really need.

Second, it makes it a million times easier to spot the abandoned cars, and to get them enough tickets (one a week for three weeks is all that's needed in Philly) to get them on the boot list and have them towed by the PPA for unpaid tickets. In a city where I've been calling the abandoned auto line every week for three months to have an abandoned car hauled off from my block, that'd be great, because the PPA tows quickly.

So, you've got cleaner streets, fewer unneeded cars, and no more abandoned cars, which means more parking for the people who need a car to begin with. How does anyone lose?

anonymous:

south philly is filthy! we need street cleaning as much -- if not more -- than any other part of the city because it is so densely populated. i would love to see it reinstituted on a twice a month basis, rather than weekly. i know moving a car is a pain, but i did it in center city for years (with lots more parking restrictions) and it can be done.

John:

"3. the public is unanimous in its desire for it..."

Hardly. Nicholas's comment alone proves it's not unanimous. And you can include me among those who don't want to see it. There's much better ways to spend that uncollected property tax - on the schools, on the firefighters, on the police.

No thanks. Keep your street sweepers.

Danielle villa:

I live in south philly, there used to be street cleaning but i think that in my neighborhood its just to hard. Like the last person who talked about sotuh philly said, the people have to many cars to park in the 1st place and between all the handicap spots and the permit parking you find yourself driving in circles for a good 30 minutes sometimes.

Francis O'Neill:

I work in the Frankford section of the city and there is street cleaning once a week, but if it was up to me I'd do a way with it. Every week I see the truck sweepers drive around and I don't know if the streets department provides poor training or the employees just don't take their job serious because they make more of a mess than its worth. The amount of trash left behind by the trucks is ridiculous.

John Williams MD:

It used to be done in Center City but was eliminated under, I believe, Rizzo during one of his many financial crises that tended to result shortly after one of several sweetheart union contacts went into effect.


hugh:

Street cleaning? For what? There is no reason to clean any streets if the trash in this city is not going to keep it clean.

Anonymous:

Anyone who thinks that parking is more important than clean and sanitary streets needs to have their head examined. That's the mentality of the typical lazy and uneducated South Philly losers who don't have their priorities straight.

Street cleaning is done elsewhere and can and must be done here. When you are told to move you car, you move it or it is ticketed and towed - end of discussion.

Anonymous:

South Philly is a huge area, and most of the people who live here want weekly, regular street cleaning, just like we want weekly, regular, curbside recycling.

Any pol that listens to the knuckleheads who are too high to remember to move their car because they can't remember what day it is deserves to join them in that trailer park down by the river.

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